Muhammed in Islam: Infallible or imperfect prophet?

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Well, I’m trying to have a discussion without polemics, so give me a hand folks.

I guess I AM driving at some of those hard questions christians ask. Was it a ‘mistake’ (or a sin) for Muhammed (is that spelled right?) to take an underage girl for a wife? If muslims admit that actions like this were sinful or even ‘mistaken’ then IMO, there is hope for the world that Islam can grow to where it no longer tolerates some of the early ‘mistakes’ just as judeo-christianity has grown to where recognize that Soloman, though chosen by God to be King in Israel had a screwed up idea of marriage and that we should not take his version as an acceptable example! (hundreds of wives and MORE concubines)

If, on the other hand, every act Muhammed ever did is considered an example for all muslims for all times, my optimism is considerably diminished. 😦
 
manualman said:
Well, I’m trying to have a discussion without polemics, so give me a hand folks.

I guess I AM driving at some of those hard questions christians ask. Was it a ‘mistake’ (or a sin) for Muhammed (is that spelled right?) to take an underage girl for a wife? If muslims admit that actions like this were sinful or even ‘mistaken’ then IMO, there is hope for the world that Islam can grow to where it no longer tolerates some of the early ‘mistakes’ just as judeo-christianity has grown to where recognize that Soloman, though chosen by God to be King in Israel had a screwed up idea of marriage and that we should not take his version as an acceptable example! (hundreds of wives and MORE concubines)

If, on the other hand, every act Muhammed ever did is considered an example for all muslims for all times, my optimism is considerably diminished. 😦
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meedo said:
This is not a mistake. The meaning of worship is different in Islam than you have in Christianity. Its a broaer meaning that include intercession with dead saints and stuff like that . The Quran doesnt make mistakes. You just dont iunderstand it.
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It is a mistake when it specifically is understood to say that Christians worhsip God the Father, Jesus the Son, and Mary the Mother; as a Trinity.
 
manualman said:
Well, I’m trying to have a discussion without polemics, so give me a hand folks.
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I thought you were just going “no it’s not”, as you did above re: mistakes in the Koran
manualman said:
I guess I AM driving at some of those hard questions christians ask. Was it a ‘mistake’ (or a sin) for Muhammed (is that spelled right?) to take an underage girl for a wife? If muslims admit that actions like this were sinful or even ‘mistaken’ then IMO, there is hope for the world that Islam can grow to where it no longer tolerates some of the early ‘mistakes’ just as judeo-christianity has grown to where recognize that Soloman, though chosen by God to be King in Israel had a screwed up idea of marriage and that we should not take his version as an acceptable example! (hundreds of wives and MORE concubines)
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Christians don’t follow Solomon.
manualman said:
If, on the other hand, every act Muhammed ever did is considered an example for all muslims for all times, my optimism is considerably diminished.
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Muhammed is seen as an example for all time; with relation to his taking of a child bride
 
Montalban said:
It is a mistake when it specifically is understood to say that Christians worhsip God the Father, Jesus the Son, and Mary the Mother; as a Trinity.
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The Quran doesnt say so . Bring the verses and i will explain what you want
 
meedo said:
This is not a mistake. The meaning of worship is different in Islam than you have in Christianity. Its a broaer meaning that include intercession with dead saints and stuff like that .

Meedo, intercession is not alien to Islam and you know that Allah allows intercession to whom he want. I doubt he won’t accept Mary’s intecession, knowing her high position in Islam.

Second, i don’t think the verse is refering to intercession, but to Mary being something other than human being; we see this in:

The Messiah, son of Mary, was not but a messenger; [other] messengers have passed on before him. And his mother was a supporter of truth. They both used to eat food. Look how We make clear to them the signs; then look how they are deluded.

If we combine this verse with another verse from the same sura,

And [beware the Day] when Allāh will say, “O Jesus, Son of Mary, did you say to the people, ‘Take me and my mother as deities besides Allāh?’”

The logic here is that since Jesus and Mary BOTH ate, they could not have been divine, with the implication being that Christians actually believe that there are literally three gods consisting of Father, mother and son.

Ibn Abbas says regarding Sura 5:75:

(The Messiah, son of Mary, was no other than a messenger) sent to people, (messengers (the like of whom) had passed away before him. And his mother was a saintly woman. And they both used to eat (earthly) food) they were both servants who used to eat food. (See) O Muhammad (how we make the revelations) the signs that Jesus and his mother were not gods (clear for them, and see) O Muhammad (how they are turned away) through lies!

altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp?tMadhNo=0&tTafsirNo=73&tSoraNo=5&tAyahNo=75&tDisplay=yes&UserProfile=0

So believe in God and His messengers, and do not say, that the gods are, ‘Three’, God, Jesus and his mother. Refrain, from this and say what, it is better for you, [to say], which is the profession of His Oneness. Al-Jalalayn
The Quran doesnt make mistakes. You just dont iunderstand it.
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thank you 🙂

Salam.
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nby said:
Moslems say “peace be upon him” but in Arabic they say “salah allahu alayhi wasalam” which means “God prayed over him and greeted him." Now first of all, how can God pray? And if he does pray then what does he pray to? Mohammad? If so then according to Islam Mohammad is greater than God. If not then why does the Quran on one hand recognize Jesus as “the spirit of God” but on the other states that Christians must follow Mohammad? If we are following “the spirit of God” but we must follow Mohammad then Mohammad must be greater than God. What kinds of reasoning if any does this religion have?
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😃 Jesus is also the Word of God in Quran. Is God’s word created or uncreated?

Muhammad borrowed Christian titles without knowing their theological implications 😉
 
Montalban said:
It is a mistake when it specifically is understood to say that Christians worhsip God the Father, Jesus the Son, and Mary the Mother; as a Trinity.
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why do you think Muslims think we worship 3 gods and that God had intercourse to get Jesus? did they read it in the Bible?! no, they read it in Quran. Muhammad got it wrong and so did his followers.
 
inJESUS said:
why do you think Muslims think we worship 3 gods and that God had intercourse to get Jesus? did they read it in the Bible?! no, they read it in Quran. Muhammad got it wrong and so did his followers.
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Moslems can’t tell you who fathered Jesus. Does this mean that they believe He was out of wedlock?
 
Montalban said:
Moslems can’t tell you who fathered Jesus. Does this mean that they believe He was out of wedlock?
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no Muslims do believe the virgin birth…maybe they don’t know how to explain it because if they think deeply they’ll realize Jesus is God;)
 
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