Muhammed in the songs of solomon

[meedo]

here is mroe prophecies of Muhammed

Genesis, 21

1. Rise, pick up the lad and grasp your hand upon him, for I shall make him into a great nation."
2. And God opened her eyes, and she saw a well of water, and she went and filled the pouch with water and gave the lad to drink.
3. And God was with the lad, and he grew, and he dwelt in the desert, and he became an archer.
4. And
   **"""""“he dwelt in the desert of Paran”""""", ** and his mother took for him a wife from the land of Egypt."

Now where do teh arabs originate from??? saudi Arabia and they are the decendants of Ishmael who inhabited Mecca!!!

Now look at the following verse

deut 33:2

2And he said, The LORD came from Sinai, and rose up from **Seir ** unto them; he shined forth from mount Paran, and **he came with ten thousands of saints: from his right hand went a fiery law for them. **

Lord came from Sainai = Moses

Rose up from seir unto them = Jesus

shined forthe from Paran = Mecca saudi Arabia !!! where Ishmael gone with his mom !!! Ten thousands men are the same amount who enetred intoi Mecca to destroy the Idols and cleanse the House of God !!! In their Hand the fiery law of Monotheism.

Now in the songs of solomon we find

5:10 'My beloved is white and ruddy, pre-eminent above ten thousand. ( Muhammed entered Mecca Pre eminent above ten thousand)

Ishmael is the one who lived in Paran , Muhammed is the one who brought the law and his companions followed the law the he brought. In Exactly ten thousands they entered Mecca abolishing Idolatry.

I dont know but for me this seems like a very very very strange coincidence!!

in Hebrew scripture, the name ‘Muhammad’ in Song of Solomon 5:16, it looks like this:

“Hikow mamtaqiym wkulow ""mahamadiym”" zeh dowdiy wzeh ree`iy bnowt yruushaalaaim."

if you look in a hebrew dictionary on teh word MHMD it means the Praised one!!! which is exactly his name !!!

God doesnt change people untill they take their first step to truth. Truth is sometimes hard . But once you see the truth you are forbidden to decieve your self. The proof have been established. No excuses for any of us on Jugement day .

May The lord of teh Universe always Guide us all to the truth .

Peace and love and happiness be to you all .

 

[gurrato_alaien]

Peace be upon you all,

Here ISLAM in the Old Testament!!

In the book of Isaiah 29:12:

we find (a sign of Allah) that speaks about the way the revelation was first revealed to Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him in the Cave and what happened and what the Angel Gabriel told him in the cave and with utmost accuracy.

The verse says:

And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned. (KJV)

" When it is handed to one who cannot read, with the request, " Read this" he replies, " I cannot read" (NAB)

Notice how this compares, to the narrated hadiths (sayings) that narrate what happened with Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him in the cave:

Sahih al-Bukhari : Hadeeth 3

The angel came to him and asked him to read. The Prophet replied, “I do not know how to read.”

The first verse revealed from the Quran starts with the word READ as mentioned in the verse in Isaiah:

Read! in the Name of your Lord Who has created.
He has created man from a clot.
Read! And your Lord is the Most Generous.
Who has taught by the pen.
He has taught man that which he knew not… Quran (Chapter ‘The Clot’ 96: 1-5)

Peace.

 

[LuigiColetta]

:crying: The topic of Song of Songs died…

The song of songs is about (literally) 2 engaged, then married couple.
prophetically about God and His people…

If someone believes it is about Jesus and God’s people, but doesn’t believe Jesus is God…then it is very bad for it to be Jesus. The same if it is Muhammed(pbuh) and someone doesn’t believe he is God.

If you believe it is Jesus and believe Jesus is God, then it is proper to view the song of songs to be about Jesus and His(God’s) people…

Does anyone understand the concept?
Peace,
Luigi

 

[Booklover]

gurrato alaien:

Peace be upon you all,

Here ISLAM in the Old Testament!!

In the book of Isaiah 29:12:

we find (a sign of Allah) that speaks about the way the revelation was first revealed to Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him in the Cave and what happened and what the Angel Gabriel told him in the cave and with utmost accuracy.

The verse says:

And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned. (KJV)

" When it is handed to one who cannot read, with the request, " Read this" he replies, " I cannot read" (NAB)

Notice how this compares, to the narrated hadiths (sayings) that narrate what happened with Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him in the cave:

Peace.

You’re taking things out of context! You’re using one small part to claim it refers to Mohammed! This is from the Good News Catholic Bible: Isaiah 29

Disregarded Warnings

1. Go ahead and be stupid! Go ahead and be blind! Get drunk without any wine! Stagger without drinking a drop! 10. The Lord has made you drowsy, ready to fall into a deep sleep. The prophets should be the eyes of the people, but God has blindfolded them. 11. The meaning of every prophetic vision will be hidden from you; it will be like a sealed scroll. If you take it to someone who knows how to read and ask him to read it to you, he will say he can’t because it is sealed. 12. If you give it to someone who can’t read and ask him to read it to you, he will answer that he doesn’t know how.

As you can see, when you read the rest of that part, it has a totally different meaning than that which you are trying to convey!

 

[MommaKat]

De Maria
You should have quoted the whole quote in
2 Corinthians 11
12 And what I do I will continue to do, in order to end this pretext for being regarded a we are in the mission of which they boast.13 For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, who masquerade as aspotles of Christ. 14 and no wonder, for even Satan masquerades as an angel of light. 15 So it is not strange that his ministers also masquerade as ministers of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds.

If we believe the Gospel are a foreshadowing of the future. We have seen more that one religion arise from revelation made to interesting people Mohammed, Joseph Smith, and Mary White. Of course we are in a battle against the lord of the world, the lord of darkness.

 

[De_Maria]

Joseph_Alison:

Salaam Brother De Maria;

Shalome Brother Joseph.

Brother, can you relate to us the real context that pushed Paul to write the above?

Yes. Some people had come among the Galatians who were preaching a different Gospel than the one of Jesus Christ.

Paul is talking about a Gospel “we preached to you” (i.e the Galatians). Do you know what that Gospel was?

Yes. The Gospel of Jesus Christ.

If the four Gospels of the NT were not among the Gospel Paul is talking about in this verse,

Yes the four Gospels are truly one Gospel. The Gospel of Jesus Christ according to Matthew, the Gospel of Jesus Christ according to Mark, the Gospel of Jesus Christ according to Luke and the Gospel of Jesus Christ according to John.

There is only one Gospel.

Philippians 1
27 Only let your conversation be worthy of the gospel of Christ: that, whether I come and see you, or, being absent, may hear of you, that you stand fast in one spirit, with one mind labouring together for the faith of the gospel.

does not the condemnation proclaimed by Paul reach the authors of those Gospels in the first place?

I see that you have a grave misunderstanding of the meaning of the word Gospel.

*The word Gospel usually designates a written record of Christ’s words and deeds.

newadvent.org/cathen/06655b.htm*

Do you know why Paul felt compelled (Galatians 1:13-18), after he supposedly received the vision of Jesus in his route to Damascus, to deny any immediate contact with the previous apostles?

Yes. To pray and remain united to God.

Obviously the letter Paul sent to the Galatians was not part of the Gospel Paul was talking about in the verse above; how come his letter to them ended up sacred scripture?

Again, you have a grave misunderstanding of the Gospel. Every letter which Paul wrote was an education of how the Gospel of Jesus Christ should be applied in the Christian life.

I have never seen the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Then you have never read the Bible because within its pages the Gospel of Jesus Christ is described by four of His Apostles…

I will be glad to see it in order to judge if what was revealed to Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) is in contradiction with it.

We may begin whenever you are ready.

Does your religion teach that Mohammed is the Praised one? Yet Mohammed is not sinless and Jesus is, even your religion teaches that. And also, even Mary is sinless in your religion? Yet the Praised one is Mohammed?

Does that not trouble you? Is Allah unjust?

Salaam.
Joseph.

Shalome,

De Maria

 

[De_Maria]

r.gonzales:

nice try . your argument here fails due to a few reasons though, but that’s expected due to your ignorance of islam and the arabic language.

Ahhh, ad hominems. That is what I have come to expect of you. Perhaps you ought to take a lesson from your fellow Muslim:

“Good manners and rules for debating”
If you see me or another Muslim deviate from those manners; please know that it is not what our religion teaches.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=68608&highlight=rules+muslims

firstly, regarding praise being for Allah alone, this has a particular context that it should be understood in …

as for the meaning of the word muhammad, then ibn qayyim al-jawziyyah explains it in his book, zaad al-ma’aad, where he states:

In response to statements summarized above. Thanks for proving that the statement, “All Praise is due to Allah” is false.

How do I come to this conclusion? First you explain how Allah has certain attributes for which He is praised, then you explain how Mohammed has certain attributes for which he is praised. Therefore, according to you, all praise is not due to Allah since some praise is due to Mohammed.

But let us return to the topic of this thread. Mahmud in the Song of Songs,

But That’s Not The Word! The word used is machamadim, the plural form of machamad.

If we follow the Muslim way of translating this sentence, we would produce the following:
His mouth is most sweet; and he is altogether Mohammeds (in other words, many Mohammeds). This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.It doesn’t make any sense.

The preceding quote (except for the words in parenthesis) is from this website:
messiahtruth.com/songs.html

paul is no authority for us, nor do his words carry any weight. he was not a prophet sent by Allah, so his words cannot be considered to be prophecies by any means.

That is no surprise. Obviously you are only interested in the Bible when you can twist the meaning to suit your desires.

2 Peter 3
16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are certain things hard to be understood, which the unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, to their own destruction.

this cautioning is a neat little way of preventing any further revelation from Allah from being accepted by the people. especially when you take into consideration the fact that angels are loyal and righteous servants of Allah incapable of disobeying Him. if an angel were to descend from heaven with revelation, then it most certainly would be because Allah ordered him to deliver it.

Certain angels have descended from heaven. They are fallen angels:
*
Apocalypse 12:**9 And that great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, who seduceth the whole world; and he was cast unto the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him. *

Therefore Paul is cautioning us not to test every spirit just as does the Apostle John:

1 John 4
1 Dearly beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits if they be of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

Sincerely,

De Maria

 

[De_Maria]

meedo:

Thats because the chosen son concept that you have is in my opinion inflated . Sarah was promissed a son and she was barren . Big Deal, so was mary’s mom and so was Joshuas mom!!! Second thing is that Muslims believe thet the would be sacrifice was Ishmael and not Isac. Not because it does matter to our faith but actually because its the truth.

You think that a woman bearing a son at the age of 90 is a small thing?

Genesis 17
17 Abraham fell upon his face, and laughed, saying in his heart: Shall a son, thinkest thou, be born to him that is a hundred years old? and shall Sara that is ninety years old bring forth?

And that is not all, Abraham was 100 years old when Isaac was born. And you think is more of a miracle for a child to be born of a young robust woman and a 90 year old man?

He was mentioned more than i just refered but you are right . he isnt God or Allah and he never claimed to be God or Allah .

But Jesus is God. And this is even proven in your book because Jesus is born without a human father even in the Quran. Yet confusingly, the Quran places Jesus in a secondary role behind Mohammed.

So was all teh prophets of God .

So were you and so was I. So what is your point? But Jesus was born the seed of a woman and overshadowed by the Holy Spirit, this is a sign of His Divinity.

Adam was made without any parents at all . Eve was made out of adam himself whats the problem , cant God make whatever he wishes!!!

Yes He can and God can dwell in HIs Creation. And God became man and dwelt among us.

Well jesus never made the Miracles that Moses did .

Jesus miracles were far greater than Moses’ miracles because Moses was only a foreshadowing of what was to come.

Both of them never made the miracles that Abraham did .

Muhammed made miracles but Muslims doesnt realluy stress on them cause we are warned of how many prophets befroe made miracles and ended up rejected and persecurted.

Please show me which miracles Mohammed made?

Your true faith shouldnt depend on Miracles

No. But miracles do tend to make a point more forcefully.

Exodus 4:1Moses answered and said: They will not believe me, nor hear my voice, but they will say: The Lord hath not appeared to thee. 2 Then he said to him: What is that thou holdest in thy hand? He answered: A rod. 3 And the Lord said: Cast it down upon the ground. He cast it down, and it was turned into a serpent: so that Moses fled from it. 4 And the Lord said: Put out thy hand and take it by the tail. He put forth his hand, and took hold of it, and it was turned into a rod. 5 That they may believe, saith he, that the Lord God of their fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath appeared to thee.

If you claim to be God or to be sent by God, then it is logical to expect that God has given you a sign to show your authority. Jesus provided many miraculous proofs, so did the Apostles and many of the Prophets.

it should depend on sound faith and proper unbiased honest belief.

In this Mohammed has failed. He has not provided a sound basis for faith as his doctrines fail on many levels. The only true doctrines in the Islamic faith are those they share with the Catholic Church.

Miracles isnt the sign of Power of the Prophet , its the sign for people to believe in whom this prophet was sent from . Saqdly history shows us that even many miracles were made. Alot of people disbelieved . But any way Muhammed yes made thousands eat froma few loaves and made thousands drink from little water available .

Is that in the Quran?

Quran, Al Ankabout, number 29, verse 50.
“And they say, why are not signs, miracles, send down to him, to Mohammed, from his lord?” Says, “Oh, Mohammed, the signs are only with Allah, and I am only a plain warner.”

(cont’d)

 

[De_Maria]

(cont’d)

There is many prophecies of Muhammed

There are none in the Bible.

for people who can be honest with themselves

Muslims who can be honest with themselves will admit that they are twisting the meaning of Bible verses to force Muslim ideas into them.

. I just showed you his name and description in the bible above.

No you didn’t. You showed an example of twisting the meaning of Scripture to fit your agenda.

But That’s Not The Word! The word used is machamadim, the plural form of machamad.

If we follow the Muslim way of translating this sentence, we would produce the following:His mouth is most sweet; and he is altogether Mohammeds. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.It doesn’t make any sense.

messiahtruth.com/songs.html

and as for the marriage thing well nearly all prophets married and had children and moses pegan to teach at old age also . whats the problem?!

There is none. Marriage is a sacrament, a mystery and a sign of the union of man and God in the next world.

Ephesians 5:
For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife, and they shall be two in one flesh. 32 This is a great sacrament; but I speak in Christ and in the church.

A mystery which was embodied in Jesus Christ Himself:

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Jesus Christ is true God and true man, in the unity of his divine person; for this reason he is the one and only mediator between God and men

This is an example of another beautiful Catholic doctrine which you will not find in the Quran.

Sincerely,

De Maria