Muslims – who appeared to the apostles after the crucifixion and resurrection?

[Augustine3]

I understand Muslims believe it was not Jesus who died on the cross but someone made by God to look like him in order to deceive the people. That being the case, I wonder:

• Who appeared to the apostles and disciples during and up until forty days or so after the crucifixion?
• Who was it that taught them about the Kingdom of God during and up until forty days or so after the crucifixion?
• Who was it they all saw ascend into heaven?

 

[1Tim215Mommy]

I understand Muslims believe it was not Jesus who died on the cross but someone made by God to look like him in order to deceive the people. That being the case, I wonder:

• Who appeared to the apostles and disciples during and up until forty days or so after the crucifixion?
• Who was it that taught them about the Kingdom of God during and up until forty days or so after the crucifixion?
• Who was it they all saw ascend into heaven?

 

[dronald]

Who appeared to the apostles and disciples during and up until forty days or so after the crucifixion?

This would have never happened. Another famous corruption.

Who was it that taught them about the Kingdom of God during and up until forty days or so after the crucifixion?

It depends what Jesus was teaching. If He was teaching something in line with Islamic theology then Jesus probably said it. If what Jesus said is not in line with Islamic theology then He couldn’t have said it.

Who was it they all saw ascend into heaven?

Again, didn’t happen. This would be a later addition to the true Injil (Gospel) which Jesus wrote.

Some interesting passages worth mentioning:

Surah 3:52But when Jesus felt [persistence in] disbelief from them, he said, “Who are my supporters for [the cause of] Allah ?” The disciples said," We are supporters for Allah . We have believed in Allah and testify that we are Muslims [submitting to Him].

Surah 5:111"And behold! I inspired the disciples to have faith in Me and Mine Messenger. they said, ‘We have faith, and do thou bear witness that we bow to Allah as Muslims’".

Surah 61:14O ye who believe! Be ye helpers of Allah: As said Jesus the son of Mary to the Disciples, “Who will be my helpers to (the work of) Allah?” Said the disciples, “We are Allah’s helpers!” then a portion of the Children of Israel believed, and a portion disbelieved: But We gave power to those who believed, against their enemies, and they became the ones that prevailed.

It’s interesting to note that Christianity prevailed, and there’s no evidence that early disciples called themselves Muslims.

 

[Augustine3]

It depends what Jesus was teaching. If He was teaching something in line with Islamic theology then Jesus probably said it. If what Jesus said is not in line with Islamic theology then He couldn’t have said it.

I guess this couldn’t happen either because Jesus taught about the Kingdom of God during the 40 days after his resurrection.

That’s funny, it seems to me that Muslims conveniently throw out the facts when it doesn’t suit them. The Manicheans also believed the scripture was corrupt. St Augustine challenged them to produce evidence of this, they could not present a single shred. This could be a lesson for our Muslim friends in this forum. There was no evidence of the scripture being fabricated even when it was challenged before the birth of Muhammud.

 

[joe371]

I guess this couldn’t happen either because Jesus taught about the Kingdom of God during the 40 days after his resurrection.

That’s funny, it seems to me that Muslims conveniently throw out the facts when it doesn’t suit them. The Manicheans also believed the scripture was corrupt. St Augustine challenged them to produce evidence of this, they could not present a single shred. This could be a lesson for our Muslim friends in this forum. There was no evidence of the scripture being fabricated even when it was challenged before the birth of Muhammud.

I am not really sure why their holy books even mention Jesus and Mary. What’s the point, especially if you (they) do not believe…

 

[dronald]

I am not really sure why their holy books even mention Jesus and Mary. What’s the point, especially if you (they) do not believe…

Unfortunately for Muslims, Allah never quotes the Injil (or the Torah) even though the Qur’an is all about how respectable those books are. The very first person we have evidence of getting his hands on a Bible went by the name of Ibn-Khazem. He is quoted as follows:

“Since the Quran must be true it must be the conflicting Gospel texts that are false. But Muhammad tells us to respect the Gospel. Therefore, the present text must have been falsified by the Christians after the time of Muhammad.” (circa 1064 AD)

Notice how his line of reasoning is as follows:

The Quran is true
The Bible contradicts the Quran
Muhammad respects the Bible
Therefore the Bible was falsified after the time of Muhammad

This has been proven to be a false premise now that we have undisputable evidence that the Bible has not been changed since the time of Muhammad. Now Muslims must go way back in history and say the falsifications began immediately at Christianity’s infancy. However, this contradicts any evidence of early Christianity as well, making Islam somewhat of a conspiracy theory.

To add to what you said about Muslims changing positions on what the Bible says, I’ll give you an example of something that happened to me. A Muslim once told me that Jesus can’t be God because He says, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me.” So he literally believed that Jesus said those words. I then mentioned that Jesus said that on the cross, therefore Muslims can’t believe He said it, because Jesus never was on a cross. My Muslim friend quickly changed positions and was able to accept that maybe Jesus never said it, or maybe He said it at a different time.

 

[joe371]

Unfortunately for Muslims, Allah never quotes the Injil (or the Torah) even though the Qur’an is all about how respectable those books are. The very first person we have evidence of getting his hands on a Bible went by the name of Ibn-Khazem. He is quoted as follows:

“Since the Quran must be true it must be the conflicting Gospel texts that are false. But Muhammad tells us to respect the Gospel. Therefore, the present text must have been falsified by the Christians after the time of Muhammad.” (circa 1064 AD)

Notice how his line of reasoning is as follows:

The Quran is true
The Bible contradicts the Quran
Muhammad respects the Bible
Therefore the Bible was falsified after the time of Muhammad

This has been proven to be a false premise now that we have undisputable evidence that the Bible has not been changed since the time of Muhammad. Now Muslims must go way back in history and say the falsifications began immediately at Christianity’s infancy. However, this contradicts any evidence of early Christianity as well, making Islam somewhat of a conspiracy theory.

To add to what you said about Muslims changing positions on what the Bible says, I’ll give you an example of something that happened to me. A Muslim once told me that Jesus can’t be God because He says, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me.” So he literally believed that Jesus said those words. I then mentioned that Jesus said that on the cross, therefore Muslims can’t believe He said it, because Jesus never was on a cross. My Muslim friend quickly changed positions and was able to accept that maybe Jesus never said it, or maybe He said it at a different time.

I never thought of it like that - the part in red. Great point! What I don’t get is why Muslims, in their holy book, even mention people, and their teachings, from another religion e.g. Christianity; if they truly believe that their religion true, then why even discuss Christianity? Just stick with Islam…Why do they feel it necessary to downplay, or teach their Muslim flock, anything about another religion? Weird…

 

[fred_smurf]

I never thought of it like that - the part in red. Great point! What I don’t get is why Muslims, in their holy book, even mention people, and their teachings, from another religion e.g. Christianity; if they truly believe that their religion true, then why even discuss Christianity? Just stick with Islam…Why do they feel it necessary to downplay, or teach their Muslim flock, anything about another religion? Weird…

When Jesus say “my God my God why have you forsaken me” that’s when all the sin of the wold from start to finish was laid on him and God the father could not look upon the sin that was lay on the live sacrifice.
And second he was quoting the text from the Old Testament which he was fulfilling the reason he died. For the sin of man with though words he was fulfilling the salvation for man The quran which I wouldn’t capitals out of respect of God word is just a book, but the God of the Christian and of the Jew is the only God
New Testament quote
Luk_20:37 Now that the dead are raised, even Moses shewed at the bush, when he calleth the Lord the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.
Old Testament quote
Exo_4:5 so that they may believe that Jehovah the God of their fathers has appeared to you, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.

 

[Sam_777]

This would have never happened. Another famous corruption.

Unfortunate…:sad_yes:

 

[douggg]

Try asking a muslim for his Muslim version of the New Testament that has only the uncorrupted verses… :yup:

Doug

 

[fred_smurf]

Unfortunate…:sad_yes:

Torah the first 5 books of the Old Testament is 5700 year old
The New Testament is around 2000 years old
Who wrote the quran, and when? About 1500 years ago by muhammad so am told
To refer to this book as a new testament is wrong, I wish people wouldnt comparing it to the holy Word of God

 

[LtTony]

Excellent questions, Augustine3. They highlight and p(name removed by moderator)oint the Achilles heel of Islam and its theoligical assault on Christianity. Islam nas no answer for Christ’s crucifixion and resurrection, practically the basis of Christianity. The subject(s) is given a “They killed him not,” and a shrug. Ignoring the subject was a smart move by Mohammad, since he couldn’t provide an answer that made sense.

dronald nailed your questions and provided elements I have never read before on this topic. Welcome to the forum, dronald. You will make excellent contributions. You are my new hero in this regard.