Muslims: A Chance For Evangelization

[peregrinus_WA]

From my blog:

Muslims: A Chance For Evangelization

“Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age.” (Mt: 28: 19. RSV)

That was the command of Jesus at the end of the Gospel of Matthew. However, it seems many Catholics these days are either unaware or unwilling to heed this command. They seem to think it is only a job for priests and deacons to proclaim God’s word. No. It is everyone’s duty. Plus, we can reach where they cannot.

A prime example of this is our everyday interaction with Muslims. Many Muslims are unaware of the true teachings of God the Father which the Jesus, God the Son, proclaimed. This is due to their sole reliance on the Quran and the teachings in the mosques.

With more and more Muslims immigrating to Christian countries, there are more opportunities to do this evangelization. We need to do this not only with words, but also with actions. By seeing how we live our lives according to the Word of God, there is a greater chance of converting Muslims to the truth.

Do not think this is possible? It has been reported that over 6 million Muslims converted to Christianity worldwide in a recent year (I have a feeling this number is low). Most of these is in Africa where there is extensive missionary activity. There are no real numbers for the US but, in France, the number was 15,000 in that same period of time.

The opportunity is there, we need to take full advantage of it.

This entry was partially inspired by the homily the Associate Pastor gave at this evening’s Mass. That homily was incorporated the readings with the document: Doctrinal Note on some Aspects of Evangelization.

I plan on doing blog entries on the document when time permits.

 

[Shoshana]

There is a lot of truth to this. A muslim from town gave me a Qram. A brand new smaking book…she is a wonderful woman and is very, very kind. I speak to her about our lent and how intense it is.

But I think Bishop Sheen had the answer to the very subject on this thread:

Mary and the Muslims

by Bishop Fulton J. Sheen​

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MISSIONARIES
Missionaries in the future will, more and more, see that their apostolate among the Muslims will be successful in the measure that they preach Our Lady of Fatima. Mary is the advent of Christ, bringing Christ to the people before Christ himself is born. In an apologetic endeavor, it is always best to start with that which people already accept. Because the Muslims have a devotion to Mary, our missionaries should be satisfied merely to expand and to develop that devotion, with the full realization that Our Blessed Lady will carry the Muslims the rest of the way to her divine Son. She is forever a “traitor,” in the sense that she will not accept any devotion for herself, but will always bring anyone who is devoted to her to her divine Son. As those who lose devotion to her lose belief in the divinity of Christ, so those who intensify devotion to her gradually acquire that belief.

Many of our great missionaries in Africa have already broken down the bitter hatred and prejudices of the Muslims against the Christians through their acts of charity, their schools and hospitals. It now remains to use another approach, namely, that of taking the 41st chapter of the Qu’ran and showing them that it was taken out of the Gospel of Luke, that Mary could not be, even in their own eyes, the most blessed of all the women of Heaven if she had not also borne One who was the Savior of the world. If Judith and Esther of the Old Testament were pre-figures of Mary, then it may very well be that Fatima herself was a post-figure of Mary! The Muslims should be prepared to acknowledge that, if Fatima must give way in honor to the Blessed Mother, it is because she is different from all the other mothers of the world and that without Christ she would be nothing.
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[GraceDK]

From my blog:
This entry was partially inspired by the homily the Associate Pastor gave at this evening’s Mass. That homily was incorporated the readings with the document: Doctrinal Note on some Aspects of Evangelization.

I plan on doing blog entries on the document when time permits.

Dear friend.
I totally agree with you.
If we dont evangelise the people who are in the dark… then who will? and if we dont we might end up one day having our children come home to tell us they have accepted darkness as truth because the moslems are not as tepid as we are.

I find this problem a generel one… also when it comes to evangelisation of Jews and others… Its a false humility that tells us that everyone is “fine where they are”… its a lie and one that Scripture disproves in a second. There is is said that idolatry is hated by the Lord… but today we dont call it by that name anymore. Because of that we can ourselves tolerant…

To have Christianity as your private little thing is not real Christianity. Jesus calls everyone of us to share the Gospel with the whole world. Outside of the Gospel there is NO life.

Only if we have no love for our neighbour do we hold back our Truth from them. Jesus says He is the Life. He is the Living Water… He ALONE carries burdens and redeems by His Blood.
The Church has lost faith in its own message… thats the only way I can explain why our leaders tell us that missionary activity is no longer necessary among certain groups…

But we must listen to God more than to people.

 

[Shoshana]

Dear friend.
I totally agree with you.
If we dont evangelise the people who are in the dark… then who will? and if we dont we might end up one day having our children come home to tell us they have accepted darkness as truth because the moslems are not as lax as we are.

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Being Jewish or Moslem makes them monotheistic…if they are monotheistic, are they in darkness? I would tend to agree that if anyone went to New Age in any form, would be a form of darkness, Buddhist and such.

Bringing them into the FULLNESS of the Catholic Faith would be ideal. We believe that Jesus is Lord and God…which of course, our Jewish and Muslim brethren do not agree. It is here that they need to be evangelized.

But most Catholics are not ‘passionate’ of their faith. There are also many secular Jews…and maybe even Moslems. Until the whole of Catholciity becomes less secular, relative or liberal, the passion of catholciity will never take hold. And there are many, many Catholics like that. There are many who practice their catholic faith are cafeteria catholics…and evangelizing them would be so prime.

 

[GraceDK]

Being Jewish or Moslem makes them monotheistic…if they are monotheistic, are they in darkness? I would tend to agree that if anyone went to New Age in any form, would be a form of darkness, Buddhist and such.

Bringing them into the FULLNESS of the Catholic Faith would be ideal. We believe that Jesus is Lord and God…which of course, our Jewish and Muslim brethren do not agree. It is here that they need to be evangelized.

But most Catholics are not ‘passionate’ of their faith. There are also many secular Jews…and maybe even Moslems. Until the whole of Catholciity becomes less secular, relative or liberal, the passion of catholciity will never take hold. And there are many, many Catholics like that. There are many who practice their catholic faith are cafeteria catholics…and evangelizing them would be so prime.

Dear Shoshana…

I agree with you… If all Catholics were ardent in their faith the world would soon be a great place to be…

Now to the matter of importance: (excuse my English):
The number of gods does not matter in the question of truth. As far as I know the old testament tells us of Baal, a god that was worshipped by some of Israels neigbours and contaminated even Israel to some point. The true God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob hated this worship of this false deity…

What to consider: what is the outward face of a religion? Its revelation. All religions have what we call revelation from the deity perceived of and treated as a god.

These revelations are in opposition to each other. Fx. you can’t be a Buddhist, believing in the Buddhist revelations and their teachings about reincarnation, and at the same time believe in the resurrection of the dead and a final judgement that the Christian revelation teaches.
Too, you cannot say that the author of the Quran is the same as the author of the Bible, because the two speak against each other. The Quran says that Mary is a part of the Trinity and that
the people who believe Jesus the Messias is the Son of God are cursed… yes, cursed. … Do I need to say anything else? There are many things that totally contradict Christian revelation.

My personal belief about Islam:
Is it a supernatural revelation? Yes
Is it a sound revelation from the One True God? NO

I take the consequence of having studied religion for three years and having studied Islam quite more intensely than most Christians have a chance to do… that includes reading much of the Quran as well as hadith (tradition).

Today many people don’t want to face up to responsibility of taking the consequence of being a Christian. They refuse the logic in practice: that if one world view is objectively true then another one, that is opposite, can not be true as well.

When it comes to the Jews, we have their most substantial Revelation, the Torah, within our own Bible… there is no difference between the Old Testament and Jewish Torah, whereas you will find that there are considerable differences between the Old Testament stories as told in the Old Testament and the Quran.
Therefore we say too that Christianity is in all actuality fulfilled Judaism.

You may choose to say: Both the Quran and the Bible are fake… or you may choose to accept one. Logically you can do only one of the two.

As for our big brothers…the Jews They of course dont believe in the Bible… they believe in the Torah and the Tanack(tradition) and believe that we as Christians practice polytheism to some extent … So too does the Moslems believe about us, which is why the Quran curses us… The spirit of the Quran did not understand the teaching about the Trinity nor about Mary’s role… We know that one of the reasons for the misunderstandings is that the only Christians that Muhammed ever met were heretic groups (but thats another interesting thread)…

I hope you are still holding on. … for this is quite logical and at the same time useful to know.

God bless ya…

 

[Shoshana]

Dear Shoshana…

I agree with you… If all Catholics were ardent in their faith the world would soon be a great place to be…

No doubt. And if we followed what Bishop Sheen said, everything might be in a better place.

Now to the matter of importance: (excuse my English):
The number of gods does not matter in the question of truth. As far as I know the old testament tells us of Baal, a god that was worshipped by some of Israels neigbours and contaminated even Israel to some point. The true God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob hated this worship of this false deity…

We are getting into muddy water here. To state that the Jewish People worshipped a false god (Baal), which is a fact, but so did/do Catholic throughout our history. And it still happens tosay in the islands where they mix Catholciity and spirits. The spirits are hidden behind statues and candles of Mary, Jesus, etc. Santeria is a good example. We must be careful here…our hands are not clean.

The Jewish People have the same God as we do. Do they still have idols? Of course! And so do we. The true God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob hates this from all peoples who adore Him alone. He is a jealous God…so we better make sure to clean our own household of any idols. New Age has infiltrated dramatically within the Catholic Faith. Big time. Much of our clergy and peoples make an idol of this and go to Communion on Sunday. Be careful of pointing fingers. I am just trying to show that there are many, many flaws within the catholic people. We adore God as well as other gods…and we do not blink an eye at that. I have tried to show the error of their ways and was stomped on and laughed at…oh well. Are we ready to show the Jews and the muslims the errors of their way?

What to consider: what is the outward face of a religion? Its revelation. All religions have what we call revelation from the deity perceived of and treated as a god.

OK.

These revelations are in opposition to each other. Fx. you can’t be a Buddhist, believing in the Buddhist revelations and their teachings about reincarnation, and at the same time believe in the resurrection of the dead and a final judgement that the Christian revelation teaches.

Buddhism is a cult and philosophy and does not claim that Jesus is Lord.

Too, you cannot say that the author of the Quran is the same as the author of the Bible, because the two speak against each other. The Quran says that Mary is a part of the Trinity and that
the people who believe Jesus the Messias is the Son of God are cursed… yes, cursed. … Do I need to say anything else? There are many things that totally contradict Christian revelation.

True…I highly question their Qram. But there are many similar instances in the OT and the Qram. From my understanding, the Qram is the combination of the Torah and the Chritian Bible. So, basically it is plagiarism.

My personal belief about Islam:
Is it a supernatural revelation? Yes
Is it a sound revelation from the One True God? NO

I agree.

I take the consequence of having studied religion for three years and having studied Islam quite more intensely than most Christians have a chance to do… that includes reading much of the Quran as well as hadith (tradition).

Today many people don’t want to face up to responsibility of taking the consequence of being a Christian. They refuse the logic in practice: that if one world view is objectively true then another one, that is opposite, can not be true as well.

When it comes to the Jews, we have their most substantial Revelation, the Torah, within our own Bible… there is no difference between the Old Testament and Jewish Torah, whereas you will find that there are considerable differences between the Old Testament stories as told in the Old Testament and the Quran.

But there are also many similarities.
Therefore we say too that Christianity is in all actuality fulfilled Judaism.

True, thanks to our Lord Jesus Christ!

You may choose to say: Both the Quran and the Bible are fake… or you may choose to accept one. Logically you can do only one of the two.

As for our big brothers…the Jews They of course dont believe in the Bible… they believe in the Torah and the Tanack(tradition) and believe that we as Christians practice polytheism to some extent …

True.
So too does the Moslems believe about us, which is why the Quran curses us… The spirit of the Quran did not understand the teaching about the Trinity nor about Mary’s role…

Don’t just focus on the Qram…the Torah also has this problem.

We know that one of the reasons for the misunderstandings is that the only Christians that Muhammed ever met were heretic groups (but thats another interesting thread)…

They met St Francis and St Francis left unscathed.

I hope you are still holding on. … for this is quite logical and at the same time useful to know.

True and thank you.

God bless ya…

 

[GraceDK]

" “So too does the Moslems believe about us, which is why the Quran curses us… The spirit of the Quran did not understand the teaching about the Trinity nor about Mary’s role…”

-Don’t just focus on the Qram…the Torah also has this problem. "

This is false. The Torah only has truth. The Torah is a sacred part of inspired Scripture, its the Law and the Prophets pointing towards Jesus, and is the Word of God.
The Pharisaich and later Rabbinic tradition have wrong interpretations about whom Jesus from Nazareth was/is… but we must not blame the Torah for their lack of adequate interpretation. That being said, I highly admire the Jewish people and also hold that their Tanakh is full of wisdom in many areas. The question about the Jews and Judaism is, in my view, in a totally different category that that of Islam, which has a false spirit and a false revelation at its outset.

lastly, let me state that I am not here to argue about whether or not there have been and continue to be heresies and syncretism among certain Catholic groups. This is evident but not relevant to the point in question.

Peace

 

[peregrinus_WA]

" “So too does the Moslems believe about us, which is why the Quran curses us… The spirit of the Quran did not understand the teaching about the Trinity nor about Mary’s role…”

-Don’t just focus on the Qram…the Torah also has this problem. "

This is false. The Torah only has truth. The Torah is a sacred part of inspired Scripture, its the Law and the Prophets pointing towards Jesus, and is the Word of God.
The Pharisaich and later Rabbinic tradition have wrong interpretations about whom Jesus from Nazareth was/is… but we must not blame the Torah for their lack of adequate interpretation. That being said, I highly admire the Jewish people and also hold that their Tanakh is full of wisdom in many areas. The question about the Jews and Judaism is, in my view, in a totally different category that that of Islam, which has a false spirit and a false revelation at its outset.

lastly, let me state that I am not here to argue about whether or not there have been and continue to be heresies and syncretism among certain Catholic groups. This is evident but not relevant to the point in question.

Peace

Could you mean the Talmud?

 

[GraceDK]

Could you mean the Talmud?

Thanks for correcting me: of course I meant TALMUD…not Tanakh.

 

[Shoshana]

" “So too does the Moslems believe about us, which is why the Quran curses us… The spirit of the Quran did not understand the teaching about the Trinity nor about Mary’s role…”

-Don’t just focus on the Qram…the Torah also has this problem. "

This is false. The Torah only has truth. The Torah is a sacred part of inspired Scripture, its the Law and the Prophets pointing towards Jesus, and is the Word of God.
The Pharisaich and later Rabbinic tradition have wrong interpretations about whom Jesus from Nazareth was/is… but we must not blame the Torah for their lack of adequate interpretation. That being said, I highly admire the Jewish people and also hold that their Tanakh is full of wisdom in many areas. The question about the Jews and Judaism is, in my view, in a totally different category that that of Islam, which has a false spirit and a false revelation at its outset.

lastly, let me state that I am not here to argue about whether or not there have been and continue to be heresies and syncretism among certain Catholic groups. This is evident but not relevant to the point in question.

Peace

I agree that the Torah is divinely inspired…as opposed to the Qram (which is a combination of books). I fully agree. There is a lot of violence in the Qram as well as in the OT> This was my point.

I agree that that Qram has a false spirit. But violence is violence and this is what Jesus was trying to teach His people at the time.

And my point is, that people who are not orthodox in Catholocity should not evangelize but they do. We must clean our own house and that is the Lord’s job. And god knows He may be using Moslems. It would not be the first time…this is all evident AND revelant to the question…

Liberal Catholics do see ALL different faiths as OK…and the lack of knowledge is appalling. And they will use the vatican 2 documents to prove it…

 

[Sam_777]

As a Muslims searching my way into Christianity, I face these obstacles:

The culture of the west is really affecting the general view of Christianity here in the Islamic world, when I open the subject of Christianity with my family & close friends, they always tell me look how the sex is spreading widely in the west and Europe, look how they dress, look how they don’t maintain strong family ties, …etc.

My point, if we can address the bad view in our Islamic society about Christianity, then I think convincing Muslims to convert wouldn’t be that hard, considering that Jesus words have very strong effects. Firstly, we need to address the sex issue, virginity for the girl is a big factor in our religion, losing that always leads to the death in our Islamic culture, I’ve read in many western public forums about girls losing their virginity at early ages, although they might not be Christians, but certainly that affects the image of Christianity in one way or another, since our image about Christianity here in the Islamic world is always tied to the western and European countries, moreover, in major western movies we sometimes get one or more sex scenes, and during such sexual scenes sometimes you see people wearing cross necklaces!, I know that they are not truly Christians, but evil is working his way, giving bad impression about Christianity, furthermore, I receive in my European satellite around 12 Christian TV stations, but also more than 60 sex stations broadcasting on that European satellite, on the other side you wouldn’t find a single sex station broadcasting on the satellites owned by Islamic countries.

Secondly, the clothing issue, when my family or close friends see some Christians women wearing short skirts, or sexy cloths, yet at the same time they pretend to be Christians, attending the Churches, or giving a Christianity lectures, that also a problem for us Muslims, I know that the nuns are wearing the best cloths out there, but that rule doesn’t apply on all Christians, Islam teaches exactly to wear like the nuns, but if my sister or mother wearing like that will they be accepted in workplaces or when walking in the streets, or everyone will be given them strange looks, here is an example on how evil is trying to corrupt the holy image about nuns, open your Google homepage and just write the word “nun” in the image search, look at the first page results, is that acceptable, I think the Vatican should inform Google to remove those sexy pictures, they really giving bad impression about those who don’t know nuns.

If we can address the above two points, then I think everything else can be resolved easily, Jesus words are much stronger than Satan words.

 

[GraceDK]

Dear Sam.
I was waiting for you to get into this dialog even though you change the topic on the thread. But okay.

Let me tell you: the same problem that you face in islamic cultures where people look down on christians per se because of bad movies etc… is the same where I live when we consider the muslims… However, here we see it in reality and not in the movies.

What are the muslims known for in the west by experience?

• Even though I always wear moderate clothes I have often heard discusting moslem men speak to me and giving sexual hints. Its so common that I forsee it when I pass a moslem man or go into the moslem area of the city.
• One of my Jewish friends was robbed my Moslem men by broad day light and threatened with a knife to give them her money.
• Another friend of mine - a very nice moderate christian virgin - was assaulted by a moslem man who touched her and tried to kiss her against her will.
• In my society we see moslem young men being violent and disrespectful to the point where they make whole areas unsafe for women and children.
• in my country a Jew cannot wear a Kippa in the big cities without being threatened by moslem men… this is a fact. Heck it makes me wanna wear one… and if I was a man I would wear one to show my solidarity with the Jews. JESUS was7is a JEW.
• In my country the western women are called “hookers” by moslem people in generel because they have another and a bad sexual moral many times, yes certainly, but the moslem guys knows this BY OWN EXPERIENCE because they themselves behave cheep and immoderate like hookers. Who sleep with the cheep western women? MOSLEM MEN… Aha!
• which brings me to the next point: I have experienced it some times by my self but have also seen it and even heard it admitted by Moslems: they lie and lie and lie to your face… because its okay for moslems to lie to “infidels”. But the Christians say: Clean up your heart… it does not matter what you wear… but it matters what you think. Jesus said: “the man who lusts after a woman has already comitted adultery in his heart.”
• Extreme hypocricy. The moslem men want moslem ladies and all other ladies to behave in one way… but they themselves often think and act like pigs … you have to understand Sam: according to Christianity MEN AND WOMEN ARE EQUAL…THE SAME RULES APPLY FOR BOTH WOMEN AND MEN. A man who is not a virgin cannot demand a woman who is a virgin… Okay?
• In my country its a known fact that many, many moslem women are not virgins… but they have operations where they have a new virginity restored before their wedding night…! Its true. If you dont wanna believe it, sorry, but I have NO reason to lie. I feel sorry for the hypocrisy that takes place among the moslems and I think many moslem ladies suffer a lot because they have all these rules over them, rules they have to keep like prisoners in their own homes, while their men act like beasts.
• women must be dressed up from head to toe while men go around in tight shirts showing all their muscles and go picking up blond girls in town… HYPOCRISY…
• We have numerous instances here where Moslem women are maltreated, killed or beaten by violent and jealous Moslem men who put standards on women that they don’t live up to themselves.

So if you want to know why I seriously wonder why anyone who has just a little bit of Christianity in them converts to Islam you have TONS of reasons.

The Moslem way of life that we see here is so full of hypocrisy… They may have empty religion… but they dont have love… they have rules, but they have no love… no purity of heart. Like beasts they think and dominate their women.

I think the Moslem world has far BIGGER problems than the west. The loss of physical virginity is not so much a problem as pride, violence, hypocricy, empty religion, lies, etc…

And before you ask: YES, I am angry when I see this lack of understanding on the Moslem side.
Worry about innoncense among Moslem men before you worry about covering up your women and telling them you will beat them to a pulp if they loose their physical virginity…

 

[GraceDK]

PS.
The number one avocate of women sexual purity is osama bin laden. he wont even talk to a lady and wont look at her if her head is not completely covered… at the same time he has over 20 wives and more kids that anyone can count.
What a PIG…

 

[peregrinus_WA]

As a Muslims searching my way into Christianity, I face these obstacles:

The culture of the west is really affecting the general view of Christianity here in the Islamic world, when I open the subject of Christianity with my family & close friends, they always tell me look how the sex is spreading widely in the west and Europe, look how they dress, look how they don’t maintain strong family ties, …etc.

My point, if we can address the bad view in our Islamic society about Christianity, then I think convincing Muslims to convert wouldn’t be that hard, considering that Jesus words have very strong effects. Firstly, we need to address the sex issue, virginity for the girl is a big factor in our religion, losing that always leads to the death in our Islamic culture, I’ve read in many western public forums about girls losing their virginity at early ages, although they might not be Christians, but certainly that affects the image of Christianity in one way or another, since our image about Christianity here in the Islamic world is always tied to the western and European countries, moreover, in major western movies we sometimes get one or more sex scenes, and during such sexual scenes sometimes you see people wearing cross necklaces!, I know that they are not truly Christians, but evil is working his way, giving bad impression about Christianity, furthermore, I receive in my European satellite around 12 Christian TV stations, but also more than 60 sex stations broadcasting on that European satellite, on the other side you wouldn’t find a single sex station broadcasting on the satellites owned by Islamic countries.

Secondly, the clothing issue, when my family or close friends see some Christians women wearing short skirts, or sexy cloths, yet at the same time they pretend to be Christians, attending the Churches, or giving a Christianity lectures, that also a problem for us Muslims, I know that the nuns are wearing the best cloths out there, but that rule doesn’t apply on all Christians, Islam teaches exactly to wear like the nuns, but if my sister or mother wearing like that will they be accepted in workplaces or when walking in the streets, or everyone will be given them strange looks, here is an example on how evil is trying to corrupt the holy image about nuns, open your Google homepage and just write the word “nun” in the image search, look at the first page results, is that acceptable, I think the Vatican should inform Google to remove those sexy pictures, they really giving bad impression about those who don’t know nuns.

If we can address the above two points, then I think everything else can be resolved easily, Jesus words are much stronger than Satan words.

*The west these days are dominated by the Secular Relativist that use the philosophies of people like Friedrich Nietzsche for its moral (actually Immoral) code and Marx for its social structure. It has been basically call post-Christian by many. I for one have ranted against Relativism both here and on my blog.

As for Islam. To us, Islam is terrorism. Convert or die mentality. Conversion at the point of a sword.

In addition, the concept of dhimmis makes anyone who does not believe a third class citizen. Women are almost treated the same from this perception.

Saudi Arabia especially has this problem. The dominance of the extreme form of Wahhabism make Saudi Arabia look exceptionally closed minded and hostile to any who oppose them. Christians are prohibited to openly worship or show any outward signs. In addition **Wahhabism is considered one of the diving forces of **terrorism. Most, of not all of the 911 terrorists were adherents to *Wahhabism. The same can be said of Al-Qaeda .
*
So, you see, perception goes both ways.
*

 

[Sam_777]

I was waiting for you to get into this dialog even though you change the topic on the thread. But okay.

• in my country a Jew cannot wear a Kippa in the big cities without being threatened by moslem men… this is a fact. Heck it makes me wanna wear one… and if I was a man I would wear one to show my solidarity with the Jews. JESUS was7is a JEW.

I’m sorry to hear that, but brainwashed Muslims want to implement every word in Quran, however, I agree with you Jews should be given the respect since Jesus & Mary were Jews, God in the beginning didn’t choose them for nothing, there should be something good inside them.

• which brings me to the next point: I have experienced it some times by my self but have also seen it and even heard it admitted by Moslems: they lie and lie and lie to your face… because its okay for moslems to lie to “infidels”. But the Christians say: Clean up your heart… it does not matter what you wear… but it matters what you think. Jesus said: “the man who lusts after a woman has already comitted adultery in his heart.”

I agree, lying not only to infidels, but between them also, that is one of the many reasons that pushing me out of Islam.

• Extreme hypocricy. The moslem men want moslem ladies and all other ladies to behave in one way… but they themselves often think and act like pigs … you have to understand Sam: according to Christianity MEN AND WOMEN ARE EQUAL…THE SAME RULES APPLY FOR BOTH WOMEN AND MEN. A man who is not a virgin cannot demand a woman who is a virgin… Okay?

I agree, I always rejected the idea of polygamy and the idea of considering the women as a sex toy.

• In my country its a known fact that many, many moslem women are not virgins… but they have operations where they have a new virginity restored before their wedding night…! Its true. If you dont wanna believe it, sorry, but I have NO reason to lie. I feel sorry for the hypocrisy that takes place among the moslems and I think many moslem ladies suffer a lot because they have all these rules over them, rules they have to keep like prisoners in their own homes, while their men act like beasts.

Yes, I’m aware of such medical operations, particularly people travel to Egypt to perform such operations to restore virginity to the girl.

• women must be dressed up from head to toe while men go around in tight shirts showing all their muscles and go picking up blond girls in town… HYPOCRISY…

That is right, the problem that the Islamic & local culture helped develop such habit.

The Moslem way of life that we see here is so full of hypocrisy… They may have empty religion… but they dont have love… they have rules, but they have no love… no purity of heart. Like beasts they think and dominate their women.

Yes, we fear Islamic rules, that is why when I’ve heard Jesus Love, my whole life changed.

I think the Moslem world has far BIGGER problems than the west. The loss of physical virginity is not so much a problem as pride, violence, hypocricy, empty religion, lies, etc…

The problem that the loss of virginity can’t be fixed, but the other problems by the words of Jesus can.uch:

And before you ask: YES, I am angry when I see this lack of understanding on the Moslem side.

Its not lake of understanding as much that its part of the culture, traditions, and false religion rules, and its extremely difficult to change that at once, it should be done step by step.

 

[GraceDK]

Sam.
I am glad you agree with me.

You say: “The problem is that the loss of virginity can’t be fixed, but the other problems by the words of Jesus can.”

I disagree.
Jesus looks at the heart. You know this if you know God. He gave Peter a vision of ALL the animals and said to him: “Take and eat”. Peter said: “But Lord, they are impure”.
But the Lord said: “What I have declared PURE, NO MAN is allowed to call unpure.”

Sam… since we do not have a religious police and torture, puplic executions and terror in western society but we have freedom of expression and religion, we also have to tolerate that our societies are full of different people with different world-views. We even tolerate the radical moslems even though we know that some of them want to make a kalifat out of our countries. they condone sharia and supression. The same way we allow litterature and movies and behaviour that we dont agree with, because we respect that other people might have different values and opinions.

We cannot suppress people into acting in ways they do not want to act.

I will teach you a lesson now about sexuality:
Virginity is not a virtue. Chastity/ Purity is.

What destroyes virginity?

• masturbation
• pornography
• intercourse
• fornication or adultery comitted in your mind

Can Jesus make physical sign of virginity in women come back again after it has been lost? No. Why? Cant He heal everything? Yes he can, but He does not see it necessary. Why? Because He is more occupied with restoring purity in the heart and mind. Then the most important part is healed.
We believe in new beginnings; A Christian man or woman may be tempted and fall into sin and afterwards he/she repents in the heart and turn away from their evil deed. Their tears as well as the Blood of Jesus make them totally clean.

You must not judge according to the flesh anymore, Sam, but according to the Spirit, if you want to follow Christ.

The Holy Spirit of God lives inside believers and He has declared them pure through the Blood of Christ: “See the old is gone… something new has begun.”

A Christian man might fall in love with a woman and the two of them think they are very strong so they put themselves in a dangerous situation, thinking they can control themselves. Then they get tempted and sin. Afterwards they are very sad. They don’t sin again but start to live in purity, believing in God’s promises about a second chance.

If you read the passages about prostitutes that came to Jesus in the New Testament you will know that Jesus forgave the sinners: He said: “Go and sin no more… your faith has saved your… your love has saved you.” But to the religious people who looked down on the prostitutes and called them unpure He said: “you are rotten graves and hypocrites.” He saw that their hearts were full of darkness and condemnation… and He hated such sin far more than the fact that the physical evidence of virginity was missing in a woman.
Do you understand Sam?
You have to have the mind and the priorities that were in Jesus.

I have met Christian men who were virgins and I have met Christian men that were not virgins. The only man I have ever been in love with was not a virgin. In fact he had lived a very unpure life before he became a believer in Jesus. But when I met him I saw that he was pure… he was a NEW CREATION and a NEW MAN in Christ. He was NOW living in a worthy way. I loved him and never looked at the sins of his past or thought I was too good for him. WHO WAS I TO JUDGE HIM ???

This is all I ask from you: dont put standards on people…and dont evaluate anyone… not even your self. For a prostitute might enter heaven before you do and judge you on the day of judgement because you condemned the women of your time.

Jesus loves. He understands. He is OUR only holiness… One thing the rest of us have in common is WE HAVE ALL SINNED and are in desperate need of salvation. And believe me Sam, you too need forgiveness for all the bad stuff you have done and continue to do… and if someone wants to hold your past sins infront of you, you can tell them: “I am a new man in Christ… In my self I am nothing and I have no rights… Only because of Jesus I have a hope of life eternal… in myself I am worthy of the cross only”.

I have never met a man who has not sinned in his mind. If you fall out of this category then I am happy for you… then you must give thanks to God.
Focus on your own sins and wounds… not the sins and wounds of your fellow human beings.

Peace be with you.