Muslims, please answer this.....

[Image_of_God]

No Prophet taught any body to decieve. And as i said above, you have the choice to die a martyr. But its the choice!! Not threatning that fi you dont die a martyr then you wont be a true christian!!! You do whats best for you and your faith. Every situation is different!! Abraham lied when he said to the King of Egypt that Sarah was his sister. and Guess what !!! God blessed him and he had all the prophets from his decendants.

What Abraham did was that in his heart he meant that she was his sister in Faith . He lied to a stupid king on surface but his heart was full of faith.

whats wrong with that ?!!

Who do you think would disagree that killing of a Nun is cowardness?

I personally believe it is and also its in full contrast of islam .

Hope you get my message

salam

Him.

 

[strawberry]

And you believe that this muslim not speaking LIE again? brrrrr, you cant trust muslim!

 

[Superstar905]

“Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached.”

Can any Muslims here actually rise up to the Byzantine Emporer’s challenge? Can you show anything new Muhammad introduced that isn’t evil and inhuman?

I’m still waiting for an answer. If this has Muslim faithful enraged, and is inaccurate, then prove to me otherwise.

 

[pro_universal]

I’m still waiting for an answer. If this has Muslim faithful enraged, and is inaccurate, then prove to me otherwise.

Here are some of the good things Muhammad brought:

-Prohibition of infanticide. He ended the practice in the Arabian peninsula.

-Toleration for religious minorities

-A system of defined rights for both religious and political minorities, wherein a contract was created that gave both the ruler and the minority discrete obligations and rights.

-Mandatory social justice in the form of a tax specifically for aiding the poor.

There are a few

 

[Ladys76]

Image of God,
Who and what are you referring to?/QUO:


Who and what do you think???

 

[Magicsilence]

Here are some of the good things Muhammad brought:

-Prohibition of infanticide. He ended the practice in the Arabian peninsula.

-Toleration for religious minorities

-A system of defined rights for both religious and political minorities, wherein a contract was created that gave both the ruler and the minority discrete obligations and rights.

-Mandatory social justice in the form of a tax specifically for aiding the poor.

There are a few

Toleration of religous minorities? How is that a good thing? Thats expected!!

You know, even Hitler probably gave his friends gifts at their birthdays or something every once in a while.

The little snippets of good that you can present from Mohammed therefore demonstrate his human “ness”.

That doesnt detract from the fact that he spread a religion by the sword, and sought to conquer those who stood against him.

 

[pro_universal]

Toleration of religous minorities? How is that a good thing? Thats expected!!

It was new. Christianity did not practice it at the time or at all, as long as there was Christian government.

You know, even Hitler probably gave his friends gifts at their birthdays or something every once in a while.

The little snippets of good that you can present from Mohammed therefore demonstrate his human “ness”.

That doesnt detract from the fact that he spread a religion by the sword, and sought to conquer those who stood against him.

The Empire spread by the sword; the religion did not. Muslims generally did not force conversion where they went.

Contrast that with Christianity. What land was fully conquered by Christians that didn’t experience forced conversion on pain of death?

 

[Rodrigo_Bivar]

-Prohibition of infanticide. He ended the practice in the Arabian peninsula.

The prohibition of infanticide was actually started by the Hanif Zaid bin 'Amr bin Nufail whom some people say taught Muhammad his monotheism. The Hanifs were ideosyncratic mystics who believed themselves the religious successors of Abraham.

-Toleration for religious minorities

You mean like this?

Saheeh Muslim - 1767
Narrated Omar bin Al-Khattab:
He [Omar] heard the Messenger of Allah (SAW) saying, “O I indeed will exile the Jews and the Christians from the Arabian Peninsula until I leave no one but a Muslim.”

Muslim Book 019, Number 4366:
It has been narrated by 'Umar b. al-Khattib that he heard the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) say: I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslim.

Sure sounds like tolerance of minorities to me. What say you?

-A system of defined rights for both religious and political minorities, wherein a contract was created that gave both the ruler and the minority discrete obligations and rights.

You mean like this?
9:29 Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

-Mandatory social justice in the form of a tax specifically for aiding the poor.

Who would have thought Muhammad invented charity?

I suppose the early Christians, including Jesus, never performed charity. Who was this, if not St Paul, who wrote this?

“I go unto Jerusalem, ministering unto the saints, for it hath been the good pleasure of Macedonia and Achaia to make a certain contribution for the poor among the saints that are at Jerusalem,” Romans 15:26.

And… as if the Muslims invented organized charity. Looks like the Muslim does not know about the Christian concept of the “poor tithe” that was instituted centuries before Islam.

 

[strawberry]

Good points Roddie!!

 

[cestusdei]

Toleration, if you can call it that, came at the price of dhimmitude. It was barely a step above slavery. For example when collecting the special tax levied on Christians the Muslim would slap the Christian in the face so he would know he was subdued. Nice. If the Christian couldn’t pay his children would be taken and sold into slavery to pay the tax. How generous of the Muslim masters. Wouldn’t you like to live under such a tolerant system?

 

[b_justb]

If you are being tortured to denounce your faith, God gave you the permission to lie in order to save your life and the lives of the one you care for .

Whats wrong with that ?

Jesus:

Everyone who acknowledges me before others I will acknowledge before my heavenly Father. But whoever denies me before others, I will deny before my heavenly Father. Matthew 10:32, 33

 

[Eden]

Toleration, if you can call it that, came at the price of dhimmitude. It was barely a step above slavery. For example when collecting the special tax levied on Christians the Muslim would slap the Christian in the face so he would know he was subdued. Nice. If the Christian couldn’t pay his children would be taken and sold into slavery to pay the tax. How generous of the Muslim masters. Wouldn’t you like to live under such a tolerant system?

Hey, here’s a good article entitled “Are Christianity and Islam Equally Hostile?”

islamreview.com/articles/equallyhostile.shtml

But on the subject of the jizya tax for non-Muslims, collecting the tax was supposed to be accompanied by humiliation such as causing anxiety in the non-Muslim by not letting them know just how much they will owe until the last minute or by having the non-Muslim pay the Muslim in a “humiliating” way i.e., the Muslim collector is seated and the non-Muslim must stand and pay.

It seems Christianity emphasizes “humility” and Islam emphasizes “humiliation”. These kinds of contrasts are always startling.

 

[ToKnoUrName]

ok one question

why are there muslims in a christian room??

look

i respect each faith as they go

but i have to stand my ground and help people to understand the teachings of jesus and his prophets because i care for this world as god does and i want to be able to save a generation

but those above me are correct

jesus taught us no lies, he proved that his teachings were true threw miracles jesus performed, and to lie to a person and devieve them is not being loyal, and i just cant see that as a good thing, so as most christians would consider, lying is a sin

god bless

 

[swariffin]

Hello,

All the above is not contradictory with islam. Its actually not contradictory with any faith.

If at war, you make maneuvers to decieve your enemy.

If you are bieng tortured to denounce your faith, God gave you the permission to lie in order to save your life and the lives of the one you care for .

Whats wrong with that ?

I dont like people pointing fingers at Muslims with somthing that they have no problem doing it themselves. Just because Islam makes a rule out of it and you dont doesnt mean that you dont regard it as moral. What an idiot would be a military commander in the US army why in order not to commit the sin of lying he had to tell which way he is going to lead his troops. And what an idiot would be someone who thinks that God forces him to torture even though he can simply escape it by just atturing some stupid words for some stupid people to hear.

I am not talking here about mandatory behavious. You have the right to die a martyr for what you believe in . But God didnt order this as a commandement. He ordered one to have faith in his heart. If you wanna burn your enemy with anger and frustration thats a different option. I Call this mercy not lying!!!

This is a clear case of people twisting what Islam says to suit their demonisation of it.

Lying is not permissible in Islam Except in 3 cases.

1- War

2- To Please one wife or husband ( Like to say to your wife , you are beautiful as the full moon ) . Well , maybe she sint that beautiful but she will be happy to hear it.

3- To mend relations between two disputed parties . ( Like to mention to someone that his friend talks good about him and wishes to have him as a friend again and that they should be more understanding to each other and then go and say the same thing to the other friend) .

There were people whom the prophet ordered killed even if they hang by the kaba curtains. God has clearly given him the authorization to do so . In one of these cases it was kaab ibn al ashraf.

The Quran has examples of sins that God forgiave because the people whom they done it were doing even more horrible sins.

Like The Pagans accused the Muslims of fighting during the Forbidden months. While they themselves had just prevented muslims from enetring mecca for just pilgrimage in defiance to the pact that they signed between each other.

Islam doesnt condone lying . But whomevere wants to find faults in the roses will call them Bloody colored flowers!!!

salam

Dear Meedo,

That is the difference between your martyrs and ours. Our martyrs and Saints died for refusing to betrayed God in the hand of the torturers (none of them killed in the war, even Joan d’Arc was not killed in the war). Your martyrs and saints died in the war after killing others, but escape death once captured and tortured because of the so-called permitted lies.

 

[Muslim_Woman]

Salaam/peace

this was posted on CARM forums, with no answer. ,

thanks for not believing at once & asked Muslims to explain their faith.

here is a good link:

Question:

Doesn’t Islam promote violence, bloodshed and brutality since the Qur’an says that Muslims should kill the kuffar where ever they find them?

ans : Dr. Zakir Naik

Surah Taubah chapter 9 verse 6 gives the answer to the allegation that Islam promotes violence, brutality and bloodshed.

It says:

"If one amongst the pagans ask thee for asylum,grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah ( God Almighty) ;

and then escort him to where he can be secure that is because they are men without knowledge."

[Al-Qur’an 9:6]

The Qur’an not only says that a Mushriq seeking asylum during the battle should be granted refuge, but also that he should be escorted to a secure place.

In the present international scenario, even a kind, peace-loving army General, during a battle, may let the enemy soldiers go free, if they want peace.

But which army General will ever tell his soldiers, that if the enemy soldiers want peace during a battle, don’t just let them go free, but also escort them to a place of security?

This is exactly what Allah (swt) says in the Glorious Qur’an to promote peace in the world.

irf.net/irf/dtp/dawah_tech/t15/t15b/pg1.htm