Muto Propio and Franciscan University of Stuebenville

[ericcantona71]

Well, I would expect that every single student at Steubenville would go to Mass regardless (otherwise they would not be going to Steubenville). And the gym accommodates far more students than the chapel from what I understand.

As far as 0% abuses, I don’t know. I have seen video of liturgical dancers at one of their Masses. Whether technically that is an abuse I’m not sure.

If they have liturgical dancers at their mass, then that is an abuse…Cardinal Arinze on his recent trip to the US, pointed out that it was catergorically an abuse to have such. My thought is if FUS is disobedient on such a basic matter as dancers at Mass, then it is likely that this spirit will embody itself in a lot of other areas…

 

[Pugs216]

As a student at FUS, perhaps I can explain things a bit:

1. There was a petition signed by over 150 students requesting that the EF be provided on campus. I was one of the signers.
2. The petition was rejected insofar as the university chapel is completely unfit for an EF Mass, but as several posters have said, there is free transportation provided byt eh university to the local parish, St. Peters. I hope to one day have it celebrated on campus, but in the meantime I am at least partially satisfied.
3. One of the posters is under the impression that ALL students here are charismatics who would have no interest in a TLM being celebrated… this is completely wrong. End of story.

 

[palmas85]

As a student at FUS, perhaps I can explain things a bit:

1. There was a petition signed by over 150 students requesting that the EF be provided on campus. I was one of the signers.
2. The petition was rejected insofar as the university chapel is completely unfit for an EF Mass, but as several posters have said, there is free transportation provided byt eh university to the local parish, St. Peters. I hope to one day have it celebrated on campus, but in the meantime I am at least partially satisfied.
3. One of the posters is under the impression that ALL students here are charismatics who would have no interest in a TLM being celebrated… this is completely wrong. End of story.

Why is the Chapel totally unfit? Just curious.

 

[tsofio]

Hopefully this will help answer a few questions about the implementation of the Traditional Latin Mass for the Franciscan University campus comunity. First, I have included an official Univeristy statement released a few weeks ago. In my next post you can read an article from the November 15 issue of our student newspaper, The Troubadour…

–Tom Sofio
Public Relations
Franciscan University of Steubenville
tsofio@franciscan.edu

Regarding the Traditional Latin Mass and Franciscan University of Steubenville:
As a Catholic university with a long history of faithfulness to the magisterium of the Catholic Church, Franciscan University of Steubenville fully supports Pope Benedict XVI’s recent Motu Proprio, Summorum Pontificum, which expands the use of the Traditional Latin Mass.

Franciscan University fully supports the plans for the celebration of the extraordinary form of the Latin rite Mass at St. Peter Church in Steubenville. Franciscan University is located within the boundaries of St. Peter Parish, making it the official parish for the University and the repository for the records of any sacraments celebrated on the campus.

Summorum Pontificum indicates that it is the parish priest who is to accede to the requests of those attached to the previous liturgical tradition. The pastor of St. Peter Parish, Monsignor George Yontz, with the full support of Steubenville Bishop R. Daniel Conlon, has met with St. Peter parishioners, including Franciscan University students, and people from other parishes in the area. He is working with them to prepare for the proper celebration of Mass in the extraordinary form, and the University will remain in communication with him throughout this unfolding process.

The University is pleased that St. Peter’s will be the site for this, as it is easily accessible to our University members, being just one mile from campus. The University will provide transportation for students who need it to and from St. Peter’s Church for the traditional Latin rite Masses. The first traditional Latin rite Mass will be celebrated at St. Peter’s on Sunday, November 25. The dates of future Masses will be announced later by the parish office.

As the oldest Catholic church in the Steubenville diocese, St. Peter’s has the high altar, communion railing, and other requirements to celebrate the extraordinary form of the Latin rite, which are not found in many area churches. It will provide a beautiful and fitting setting in which interested students can enter more fully into this ancient liturgy.

Franciscan University will continue to offer its monthly Latin Novus Ordo Mass. In October, the University expanded the Sunday Mass offerings from three to four, with Sunday Mass now offered at 8:30 a.m., 10:30 a.m., 12:30 p.m. and 4:00 p.m.

 

[tsofio]

…And here is an article that appeared in the Franciscan University of Steubenville student newspaper.

–Tom
Tom Sofio
Public Relations
Franciscan University of Steubenville
tsofio@franciscan.edu

Troubadour (student newspaper)
Thursday, November 16, 2008

Statement clarifies status of Tridentine Mass on campus

The Franciscan University public relations office issued a statement late last month regarding the status of the traditional Latin Mass on campus grounds, ending weeks of speculation about the mass form’s role on campus and offering an outlet for students wishing to celebrate the rite.

The release, issued partly in response to increasing discussion on popular Catholic blog sites and within the University community, came after Pope Benedict XVI’s “motu proprio,” issued on July 7. The motu proprio effectively opened the door for the celebration of the traditional Latin Mass without special permission, and, as a result, more than 150 students petitioned for the Mass to be held on campus grounds.

According to University President Fr. Terence Henry, TOR, the University began planning for the motu proprio as soon as it was released this summer.

“We initiated contact with Bishop R. Daniel Conlon, the chief liturgist of the diocese, for advice on implementation,” said Henry. “This process was well underway months before a petition was prepared on campus.”

As a result, the University statement says, St. Peter’s Church was ultimately decided upon as the best place for students to celebrate the Tridentine Mass, with Monsignor George Yontz presiding over the first public liturgy on Sunday, Nov. 25. The decision, says Henry, was reached after consulting the TOR friars, Yontz and Bishop Conlon.

After examining the situation in its entirety, says Fr. Henry, “What evolved was a practical, expedient way to have a traditional Latin Mass celebrated in the immediate Steubenville area in a relatively short period of time…and in a highly appropriate church setting.”

The statement notes that structural features such as the high altar and communion railing found at St. Peter’s make it an ideal location to hold the Mass, as well as the close proximity of the parish to the University campus. The University also plans to accommodate students wishing to attend the Mass, with traditional Latin mass times posted in the foyer of Christ the King Chapel and vans to transport students to St. Peter’s.

Despite the decision to have students celebrate the traditional Latin Mass at St. Peter’s, Fr. Henry noted the importance of students in the decision-making process, stating that their participation plays a large role in the availability of the Mass.

“…A stable group of worshipers is required by the motu proprio,” said Henry. “One way to show this need is to participate regularly in the Mass that will be held at St. Peter’s.”

Henry says that by participating in the liturgy, students will aid the University as it considers future accommodations for students wishing to celebrate the Tridentine liturgy.

Ultimately, the University hopes this solution will appeal to students who wish to celebrate the Tridentine Mass while attending Franciscan.

“As a Catholic university with a long history of faithfulness to the magisterium of the Catholic Church, Franciscan University is committed to implementing Pope Benedict XVI’s motu proprio,” said Henry. “This is a first step in an unfolding response as the University … seeks to develop proper and ordered ways to implement the motu proprio.”

 

[KathleenElsie]

This information is what I had been told. As someone that goes to the TLM when able the situation seems to be fair till things are are on firmer ground.

 

[latinmass]

How many months did EVERYONE have to prepare when the Motu Propio first came out? Anyone being “ok” with this “conservative” school sending kids off campus for the TLM is beyond me. If a priests can celebrate Mass in war zones, I think someplace on campus can be prepared for the TLM. If it is true that there was ever a Mass on campus with liturgical dancers, I am convinced that this is no place for a son or daughter of mine.

 

[maria29]

How many months did EVERYONE have to prepare when the Motu Propio first came out? Anyone being “ok” with this “conservative” school sending kids off campus for the TLM is beyond me. If a priests can celebrate Mass in war zones, I think someplace on campus can be prepared for the TLM. If it is true that there was ever a Mass on campus with liturgical dancers, I am convinced that this is no place for a son or daughter of mine.

Have you seen the chapel? I attended FUS from 1998-2003 which I never saw any liturgical dancers at any mass there. I think its awesome that FUS wants to be able to have as many as people as possible attend a TLM, and being able to celebrate somewhere with communion rails and so on.

Personally I’d rather be bused off campus and be able to attend a TLM in somewhat authentic surroundings versus a modern and non authentic chapel (or worse even the gym)

I also think its important for FUS students to be inolved in the community of Stuebenville and sharing the mass with them. The chapel could never hold people from St. Peters and students nor would there be even enough parking on campus!

Also Please remember that the chapel and St. Peter’s are the SAME PARISH!!!

 

[Transformer]

Personally I’d rather be bused off campus and be able to attend a TLM in somewhat authentic surroundings versus a modern and non authentic chapel (or worse even the gym)

I also think its important for FUS students to be inolved in the community of Stuebenville and sharing the mass with them. The chapel could never hold people from St. Peters and students nor would there be even enough parking on campus!

Also Please remember that the chapel and St. Peter’s are the SAME PARISH!!!

Absolutely. It might be possible, with significantly more time and trouble, to offer the Traditional Latin Mass in the chapel on campus in a way that would at least function, but with the official parish for the university already offering the TLM as often as possible in a much more appropriate setting, why would anyone want the university to split the Traditional Catholics on campus and offer another TLM instead of supporting St. Peter’s and helping to have it celebrated as often as possible in the most reverent setting possible?

 

[KathleenElsie]

Absolutely. It might be possible, with significantly more time and trouble, to offer the Traditional Latin Mass in the chapel on campus in a way that would at least function, but with the official parish for the university already offering the TLM as often as possible in a much more appropriate setting, why would anyone want the university to split the Traditional Catholics on campus and offer another TLM instead of supporting St. Peter’s and helping to have it celebrated as often as possible in the most reverent setting possible?

 

[Mordocai]

Hi Everyone,

I am very intrigued to know what effect that the Muto Propio has had had on FUS? As everyone knows FUS has a very Charismatic spirituality despite a sizeable number of more traditional Catholics who attend. I was wondering though with the Muto Propio, if the university has become more Traditional. I am sure lots of traditional students have asked for the Tridentine Mass?

Can anyone give me an update?

Are FUS complying?

I’m a student at FUS.
The Moto doesn’t apply to Universities and the University wouldn’t be able to comply due to a lack of necessary items for the Latin Mass (i.e. the altar is a big one)
But a nearby Church, St. Peter’s (very beautiful, been there a few times, confession lines are always huge) will be beginning on the feast of Christ the King.
I’ve spoken with a lot of students about it. Generally the charismatics are all about it. Those who are anti-charismatic (and aren’t afraid to voice it) are not fully charitable.
Franciscan University will always be Charismatic. But I don’t see why they, in the future if maybe a new chapel was built, couldn’t include the TLM. Charismata and The Latin Mass are not opposed. This is my biggest problem with the so called “debate” between the two “groups”

NO! I don’t label myself as either. Do I have certain charismatic gifts? Yes. Do I absolutely love the Latin Mass? Yes (In fact, I’m studying Latin there at the University.

Do I go to praise and worship on tuesday nights and attend the festivals of praise (charismatic expression) ? Yes I do!
Do I go to the latin novus ordo, or the byzantine divine liturgy, or any other type of beautiful liturgy they offer on occassion? YES
In fact, I’m home now, and went to St. John Cantius (google it! its amazing!) for Mass with my dad. They do the TLM and NO. I was hoping the one we went to would be a TLM, but it was an NO, celebrated BEAUTIFULLY.

There Church is certainly big enough for all types of expressions (as in other cultures for example) as long as the rubrics are followed. However, are our egos big enough to fit it all in?

Now I’m not pointing that last statement to anyone in particular, so please don’t misunderstand. We are Catholic. We should love ALL of it. We should feel home at ALL of it. Because Jesus Christ is there in ALL of it! It pleases Him when His flock gathers in faith, hope and love. Just don’t be a heretic and you’re set!

So this is a roundabout way of saying (from an FUS student perspective) I’m a prime example that it indeed is possible to have the entire range! If a person can not appreciate and grow in a charismatic environment or a “traditional” environment and can’t interact with certain “types” then how can that person ever minister to anyone? First, we MUST take the beam out of our own eye, we must. Or we will be conquered through pride.

Now, let the “debate” end (if there even could be said to be one) because the fact is, God is sick of it.

God Bless, Mary Keep
Mordocai

 

[Mordocai]

P.S. I’ve never seen liturgical dancers, maybe in the past? I couldn’t say, anything’s possible. But what is impossible is the progress of the Church conquering sin and converting society for Christ if we don’t stick together.
Satan divides and conquers. Love covers a multitude of sins.
Satan is good at what he does. Are we?

I think it’d be awesome to have the TLM by the way, totally in support of that.

 

[jpy15026]

The first traditional Latin rite Mass will be celebrated at St. Peter’s on Sunday, November 25. The dates of future Masses will be announced later by the parish office.

Msgr. George W. Yontz,
Thank you so very much for giving us the opportunity to experience the 11:00am Traditional Latin Mass, so beautifully done yesterday, I want to thank everyone involved and hope and pray that we can attend a Traditional Latin Mass at St. Peter’s on a regular basis. I want to express my heartfelt gratitude to you personally for the most excellent Divine Liturgy experienced yesterday at the Traditional Latin Mass. We are so very blessed, by our Lord, to have you as Pastor of St. Peter’s Church.
God Bless You,
John

What a beautiful Litugy yesterday.This is the e-mail I sent to Msgr. Yontz thanking him for the opportunity to experience this most divine Litugy,I encourage everyone who attended yesterday to do the same and thank him in hopes that the Traditional Latin Mass will become regularly scheduled at St. Peter’s Church.
John

 

[jpy15026]

The first traditional Latin rite Mass will be celebrated at St. Peter’s on Sunday, November 25. The dates of future Masses will be announced later by the parish office.

Msgr. George W. Yontz,
Thank you so very much for giving us the opportunity to experience the 11:00am Traditional Latin Mass, so beautifully done yesterday, I want to thank everyone involved and hope and pray that we can attend a Traditional Latin Mass at St. Peter’s on a regular basis. I want to express my heartfelt gratitude to you personally for the most excellent Divine Liturgy experienced yesterday at the Traditional Latin Mass. We are so very blessed, by our Lord, to have you as Pastor of St. Peter’s Church.
God Bless You,
John

What a beautiful Litugy yesterday.This is the e-mail I sent to Msgr. Yontz thanking him for the opportunity to experience this most divine Litugy,I encourage everyone who attended yesterday to do the same and thank him in hopes that the Traditional Latin Mass will become regularly scheduled at St. Peter’s Church.
John

Forgot to put the link to send an e-mail to Msgr.

stpeterschurch.catholicweb.com/index.cfm/contact

.

 

[Allyson]

The FUS now offers Latin Mass once a month as of last semester, if anyone is interested.

God Bless,
R.

 

[HappyRevert]

Thanks heavens you responded Mordocai. The tone in this thread was sometimes a bit, perhaps suspicious and hostile , and I know from our Parish who sends our teens to the Steubenville retreats that many souls have been saved through their work and it pains me to see people tearing at it.

One of great beauties of our Beloved Church is that we have room for all. The Lord gave all of us different gifts and preferences, so we should not quibble on how the mass is expressed - whether charismatic or the Latin Rite. We can choose which expression is best for us - the Lord is present there in the Eucharist in either case. It is a cultural difference, not a religious one.

 

[palmas85]

I’m a student at FUS.
**The Moto doesn’t apply to Universities and the University wouldn’t be able to comply due to a lack of necessary items for the Latin Mass (i.e. the altar is a big one)**But a nearby Church, St. Peter’s (very beautiful, been there a few times, confession lines are always huge) will be beginning on the feast of Christ the King.
I’ve spoken with a lot of students about it. Generally the charismatics are all about it. Those who are anti-charismatic (and aren’t afraid to voice it) are not fully charitable.
Franciscan University will always be Charismatic. But I don’t see why they, in the future if maybe a new chapel was built, couldn’t include the TLM. Charismata and The Latin Mass are not opposed. This is my biggest problem with the so called “debate” between the two “groups”

NO! I don’t label myself as either. Do I have certain charismatic gifts? Yes. Do I absolutely love the Latin Mass? Yes (In fact, I’m studying Latin there at the University.

Do I go to praise and worship on tuesday nights and attend the festivals of praise (charismatic expression) ? Yes I do!
Do I go to the latin novus ordo, or the byzantine divine liturgy, or any other type of beautiful liturgy they offer on occassion? YES
In fact, I’m home now, and went to St. John Cantius (google it! its amazing!) for Mass with my dad. They do the TLM and NO. I was hoping the one we went to would be a TLM, but it was an NO, celebrated BEAUTIFULLY.

There Church is certainly big enough for all types of expressions (as in other cultures for example) as long as the rubrics are followed. However, are our egos big enough to fit it all in?

Now I’m not pointing that last statement to anyone in particular, so please don’t misunderstand. We are Catholic. We should love ALL of it. We should feel home at ALL of it. Because Jesus Christ is there in ALL of it! It pleases Him when His flock gathers in faith, hope and love. Just don’t be a heretic and you’re set!

So this is a roundabout way of saying (from an FUS student perspective) I’m a prime example that it indeed is possible to have the entire range! If a person can not appreciate and grow in a charismatic environment or a “traditional” environment and can’t interact with certain “types” then how can that person ever minister to anyone? First, we MUST take the beam out of our own eye, we must. Or we will be conquered through pride.

Now, let the “debate” end (if there even could be said to be one) because the fact is, God is sick of it.
God Bless, Mary Keep
Mordocai

I’m sure that there is an altar somewhere on the campus, otherwise how could you have any Mass there at all? The altar used for a Pauline Rite Mass is quite good enough for the Traditional Mass.

I find it interesting that you can speak with authority on what God is and is not sick of. Did you learn that at the University or are you gifted in ways that we don’t know about?