My mom asked if I would pull the plug

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My mom and dad are working on a will and Mom asked me today if I would be the one to pull the plug if she ever ended up in a vegetative state. She does not want to remain on life support. I said I would think about it. It would be either me or her son, my half-brother. I said I would think about it.

This question scared the living hell out of me because I am only 18 and this is a hefty question for me. I want to hear from orthodox devout Catholics (heterodox and non-catholics need not reply) what would be the right thing to do from a moral standpoint. Would discontinuing life support be considered euthanasia? Should I agree to it and do it if the time comes, hand the right over to my brother, or agree to it and not do it. If I agree to be in charge and not do it, I would get no support from other members of my family and can cause a lot of issues between me and my brother. My dad is much older than my mom so I cannot count that he can be against or for me. I’m just mostly scared because I am still pretty much a teenager.
 
We had to do this for my father - massive stroke. There is no ‘plug’, it’s a simple, agreed upon ’ Do Not Rescusitate’ (DNR) - the medical staff does the rest. My brother and I agreed - dad had no will. If its written up in an end of life statement, (I’m sure there is a proper legal term for it…) then it takes the burden off your conscience.

In the modern medical world, they can keep a body alive a very long time - that isn’t always a good thing. Sometimes you have to let God decide.

Looks like the catty quoters have an ‘official’ position on it so its a good thing!
 
As Catholics we have a moral obligation to hydrate and feed.
Once the body begins to refuse food, or it makes them worse somehow, we are to let nature take its course and avoid extraordinary measures that prolong life artificially.
Your priest will help you when the time comes. I strongly suggest that no one go about this when the time comes without consulting their priest. They see this all the time, and can help you to understand and cope.
Your mother must trust you very much. That’s a good thing dear one.
 
Is your mother asking you to be her health care power of attorney? the one who makes decisions for her health care, if she cannot?

That becomes part of a legal document if she is putting her affairs in order.

She should be writing down all her wishes for you, so in case she does become incapacitated, you have everything laid out clearly.

And, God forbid she does end up on life support, it’s hard to make that decision when to take her off, but if that is her wish, then you are doing the right thing.

It’s difficult to think about end of life concerns, but I am so grateful that she is handling this now and not leaving things undone.
 
Unfortunately, she probably wasn’t being facetious. There is a lot of heavy pressure on everyone today to accept this is normal. Because if you agree, then its proof you are compassionate. Don’t you believe it! Redbetta, just say no! You don’t feel good about the idea now - just imagine how you will feel if you agree to their pressure now while they are well, and in their illness they pressure you to follow through on pain of guilt for your promise. What a thing to live with, after! So just say, “No, not me. I can’t”. And stick to it.

But sadly, if they want this bad enough there are legion who would be more than happy to do it for them, to feel a hero.😦 Yes, people actually take a certain thrilling pride in that action.:sad_yes: I say so because I have seen it. 😦
 
Unfortunately, she probably wasn’t being facetious. There is a lot of heavy pressure on everyone today to accept this is normal. Because if you agree, then its proof you are compassionate. Don’t you believe it! Redbetta, just say no! You don’t feel good about the idea now - just imagine how you will feel if you agree to their pressure now while they are well, and in their illness they pressure you to follow through on pain of guilt for your promise. What a thing to live with, after! So just say, “No, not me. I can’t”. And stick to it.

But sadly, if they want this bad enough there are legion who would be more than happy to do it for them, to feel a hero.😦 Yes, people actually take a certain thrilling pride in that action.:sad_yes: I say so because I have seen it. 😦
No, what you suggest is not correct. Read the quote from the CCC in post #3.

Each situation needs to be assessd according to the individual situation. You may have seen some bad situations–I am not saying they don’t exist-- but others have seen different situations in which life was needlessly prolonged, causing nothing but pain for the poor patient.

Consider that is a person on life support is alive only because of the life support, that person would otherwise already have died. Being on the life support is prolonging a life that would otherwise have ended. Sometimes this is a wonderful thing! It is great that we can save lives the way we do, and so many are restored to full lives after horrific accidents or illnesses.

But sometimes it is the time to die. I would not have understood this when I was younger, but now I see that, yes, sometimes we need to let go. A 90-year-old patient may have had several strokes and be unconscious and only minimally likely to resume consciousness, or in a similar state.

However, each situation must be assessed separately. A cancer patient had a DNR order made when she was in a bad way, she improved but later had a heart attack. The DNR she had made when doctors thought she would die of cancer kept her from getting the care she needed for a heart attack she could easily have survived.

So it is very important to have a *person *in charge of one’s medical decisions and redbetta’s mother is doing the best thing for herself and giving a great, albeit unwanted, honor to her daughter in showing this level of trust.
 
Redbetta,
I think that you should share what you learn about end-of-life ethics with your mother so that she understands the criteria you would be using to make any decisions you might have to make.

And remember that you may never have to make this decision for her.
 
My mom and dad are working on a will and Mom asked me today if I would be the one to pull the plug if she ever ended up in a vegetative state. She does not want to remain on life support. I said I would think about it. It would be either me or her son, my half-brother. I said I would think about it.

This question scared the living hell out of me because I am only 18 and this is a hefty question for me. I want to hear from orthodox devout Catholics (heterodox and non-catholics need not reply) what would be the right thing to do from a moral standpoint. Would discontinuing life support be considered euthanasia? Should I agree to it and do it if the time comes, hand the right over to my brother, or agree to it and not do it. If I agree to be in charge and not do it, I would get no support from other members of my family and can cause a lot of issues between me and my brother. My dad is much older than my mom so I cannot count that he can be against or for me. I’m just mostly scared because I am still pretty much a teenager.
You have all my compassion and understanding. I myself had to implement this when I was in my early 20s, when my mother arrived at end of life, and again a decade later for my father, when he arrived at end of life. I was the one designated to make the decisions in both cases. The nature of my father’s illness precluded him doing so with regard to my mother. My sibling chose not to be involved in this matter at all – and so it fell to me alone in both instances…there was no other family member.

Your mother is well advised to set up a durable power of attorney for healthcare, empowering someone to make decisions if she cannot. It is very wise to plan ahead…for her sake and everyone else.

Thanks be to God, I had a few years to prepare myself so that when I actually confronted the situation, I was better prepared. I underscore “better prepared”. Obviously, it is an extremely emotional moment. No one can normally have a clinical detachment when it is a loved one.

In the case of my mother, there arose circumstances at end of life in which I had to make instantaneous decisions as her doctors presented a wide range of potential interventions – which I confess I was only able to answer because I had already gone through the Church’s teachings and knew the principles to apply plus I had the advantage of being a caregiver in her last illness and had acquaintance with the trajectory of her malady. It was, literally, a “no, no, no, yes, no” to rapid fire questions in intensive care. Decades later, I still do not forget that moment. Thankfully, there was no conflict with her last wishes. It was a very intense and grueling if brief period of time. There was no time to try to consult anyone; I had two critical care doctors needing immediate answers for what they were contemplating doing.

Certainly, this is never easy…whether it falls to us early in life or later in life. Those moments are memories I will live with, frankly, for the rest of my life.

As a priest, I have in turn helped many others in this situation over the many years. I would like to think my own experiences have helped me in turn to fulfill this role with both knowledge and compassion. No less true, however, I have reached people when it was already too late to answer questions – things happened very quickly, before I could get there. It can depend upon whether the end is foreseen (such as with cancer) or a sudden on-set end of life (as with a massive stroke).

It is true there are circumstances in which a Do Not Resuscitate protocol suffices. There are other situations, however, where one does have to choose whether or not to terminate life support because of, for example, a massive stroke.

It really is better to confront these scenarios having had the opportunity to come to know the Church’s teachings and your mother’s wishes than it is to be taken by surprise or to have medical personnel turn to you, as next of kin, in an emergency situation with you not having thought through this matter.

Please God, this is an event many many years in your future – but this is an opportunity for you and your mother to have several very important discussions and for you to slowly prepare yourself for a task we all must eventually discharge…if we ourselves live long enough, that is.
 
My mom and dad are working on a will and Mom asked me today if I would be the one to pull the plug if she ever ended up in a vegetative state. She does not want to remain on life support. I said I would think about it. It would be either me or her son, my half-brother. I said I would think about it.

This question scared the living hell out of me because I am only 18 and this is a hefty question for me.
Don’t be scared. In all likelihood, you will be much older and wiser before this issue arises. You and your mom should learn more about end of life issues so that you don’t need to use expressions like “pull the plug.” Some starters:

usccb.org/issues-and-action/human-life-and-dignity/end-of-life/

ncbcenter.org/page.aspx?pid=1204

rcda.org/Offices/pastoral_care_ministry/pdf/Advance_Directive_Guide.English_only.pdf

catholicendoflife.org/
 
Don’t be scared. In all likelihood, you will be much older and wiser before this issue arises. You and your mom should learn more about end of life issues so that you don’t need to use expressions like “pull the plug.” Some starters:

usccb.org/issues-and-action/human-life-and-dignity/end-of-life/

ncbcenter.org/page.aspx?pid=1204

rcda.org/Offices/pastoral_care_ministry/pdf/Advance_Directive_Guide.English_only.pdf

catholicendoflife.org/
This is a brilliant suggestion! Learn together about this – and other topics! – according to Church teaching. Knowledge can bring power and assurance in difficult situations.
 
I hope your mother isn’t putting before-death instructions in her will. Usually the will isn’t read until after death, so it would be a little late.

There are documents to instruct people what to do before one’s death. I’ve told my children what we want - daughter said put it in writing. And she’s right - need to do that.

“Pulling the plug” is an unfortunate expression. When a person is being kept “alive” with machines, he or she is usually dead. When my mother-in-law died, it took my husband a couple of days to get to her bedside (we live 2 thousand miles away). When he got there he realized that she was already dead; the machinery provided only an illusion of life by keeping her heart and lungs moving.

That experience was a little unnerving for my husband. Our remaining 3 parents died without the hindrance of medical machinery, so we decided that that is how we want to die - no resuscitation, no extreme measures. Someone mentioned that at the end of life food & water can become an extreme measure. My mother went thru that with her cancer. When she stopped eating, and a few days later, stopped drinking water, we let her go. It was sad, but very natural and peaceful.
 
My mom and dad are working on a will and Mom asked me today if I would be the one to pull the plug if she ever ended up in a vegetative state. She does not want to remain on life support. I said I would think about it. It would be either me or her son, my half-brother. I said I would think about it.

This question scared the living hell out of me because I am only 18 and this is a hefty question for me. I want to hear from orthodox devout Catholics (heterodox and non-catholics need not reply) what would be the right thing to do from a moral standpoint. Would discontinuing life support be considered euthanasia? Should I agree to it and do it if the time comes, hand the right over to my brother, or agree to it and not do it. If I agree to be in charge and not do it, I would get no support from other members of my family and can cause a lot of issues between me and my brother. My dad is much older than my mom so I cannot count that he can be against or for me. I’m just mostly scared because I am still pretty much a teenager.
I am morally responsible for my older sister in state of emergencies and she put me in that capacity because she knew I would not have the plug pulled on her
 
This is good. It might help if your mother’s attorney can explain to you what the language she chooses means.

My parents chose the language and I am paraphrasing from memory: “Life-support will not be continued when there is no reasonable chance of recovery.”

That made it clear what their wishes were. They did not want heroic measures that can come pretty close to torture for people who are certain to die.

When I choose my wording it will likely be the same or even more conservative in terms of stopping sooner. Part of me thinks that the best solution is to own a cabin up on a mountain and when the time approaches, just go to the cabin and tell someone to check on you every six months or so.

If you read the posts here, some people should not have this responsibility. That is my philosophy for most anything that is stressful or dangerous. Some people are cut out for this stuff and others are not. A ballet dancer should not be a special forces, and will do the world far more good as a ballet dancer than trying to do something he / she is not drawn to do. There are things that I am not comfortable doing as well and the older you get, the longer that list becomes.

When the time comes, the doctors will guide you and most hospitals have a priest available that can give counseling as well. You may also be called on to agree to hospice care or comfort care, in the final days / hours so pain is controlled and people do not die in agony.

So the answer is that there is nothing wrong with discontinuing heroic measures when someone cannot survive. And there is also nothing wrong with letting someone else have that responsibility if it causes you to have anxiety. Just don’t accept the responsibility if you are not willing to follow your parent’s wishes.

Good luck.
 
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