My Retraction of Eastern Orthodoxy

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[Several months ago I posted anti-Catholic material in these forums, and I want to retract what I wrote. I have returned to the Catholic Faith (several months ago) and also abjured my previous errors of sedevacantism. For all those I offended or caused scandal against, I sincerely apologize. -Jay]

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As some readers now know, I have decided not to become Eastern Orthodox. Though I confessed it for the past two and a half years and was a catechumen, I chose not to be chrismated, and thus not technically becoming Orthodox. I have, after much reflection and prayer, decided to return to Catholicism. I was also instructed by my spiritual advisors to publish this retraction. Let me say that also that this isn’t being posted as a subtle “challenge” to get Eastern Orthodox friends to spark a debate. I’m just not really as interested in that as I was as a 21 year-old Calvinist. I’m more interested in union with Christ nowadays, than debating every naysayer.

In the debate with Josh Brisby, Josh changed his position on infant baptism (not because of me), while he likewise presented me with many quotes from key Eastern theologians concerning the papacy that I simply could not answer. He also made the key point that I believe is ultimately correct: the Orthodox are not able to adequately deal with legal categories such as expiation, propitiation, etc. The fact that a very learned Orthodox writer had to point us to an obscure article in a seminary journal on what exactly the Orthodox view on these concepts illustrates the point. I have likewise changed my position. While some of the quotes can be explained as references merely to St. Peter himself, many cannot. I also doubt that they are all forgeries, as this is very unlikely.

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[Several months ago I posted anti-Catholic material in these forums, and I want to retract what I wrote. I have returned to the Catholic Faith (several months ago) and also abjured my previous errors of sedevacantism. For all those I offended or caused scandal against, I sincerely apologize. -Jay]

[Note: this post has been tweaked]

www.nicenetruth.com

By: Jay Dyer

As some readers now know, I have decided not to become Eastern Orthodox. Though I confessed it for the past two and a half years and was a catechumen, I chose not to be chrismated, and thus not technically becoming Orthodox. I have, after much reflection and prayer, decided to return to Catholicism. I was also instructed by my spiritual advisors to publish this retraction. Let me say that also that this isn’t being posted as a subtle “challenge” to get Eastern Orthodox friends to spark a debate. I’m just not really as interested in that as I was as a 21 year-old Calvinist. I’m more interested in union with Christ nowadays, than debating every naysayer.

In the debate with Josh Brisby, Josh changed his position on infant baptism (not because of me), while he likewise presented me with many quotes from key Eastern theologians concerning the papacy that I simply could not answer. He also made the key point that I believe is ultimately correct: the Orthodox are not able to adequately deal with legal categories such as expiation, propitiation, etc. The fact that a very learned Orthodox writer had to point us to an obscure article in a seminary journal on what exactly the Orthodox view on these concepts illustrates the point. I have likewise changed my position. While some of the quotes can be explained as references merely to St. Peter himself, many cannot. I also doubt that they are all forgeries, as this is very unlikely.

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WELCOME BACK! :hug3:

:confused: You were once a Calvinist?

God Bless,
Michael
 
I’m a former BTS Seminarian. Yes, I was a Calvinist. Buds with Gerry Matatics, but I have rejected sede.

jay
 
My our gracious God be praised for your response in humility to His call.
 
I’m a former BTS Seminarian. Yes, I was a Calvinist. Buds with Gerry Matatics, but I have rejected sede.

jay
What convinced you that Calvinism was wrong, besides the Holy Spirit of course?

God Bless,
Michael
 
[Several months ago I posted anti-Catholic material in these forums, and I want to retract what I wrote. I have returned to the Catholic Faith (several months ago) and also abjured my previous errors of sedevacantism. For all those I offended or caused scandal against, I sincerely apologize. -Jay]
Welcome back! Apology accepted!
 
I was on the way, though by no means as far as you, to becoming Orthodox–but God’s grace steered me home.

Welcome back!
 
I read your retraction, Jay. Very well done! I have a couple of questions.
  1. What is the eastern understanding of the Cross of Christ and how does it differ from the Catholic Church’s view? I understand that their teaching is rather vague, but they must teach something.
  2. One of the Orthodox that responded to your retraction seems to imply that the Orthodox do not believe that Jesus literally rose from the grave. :confused: Is that true?
  3. How does “Anselmian penal substitution” differ from Protestant “penal substitution?”
Thanks and God Bless,
Michael
 
By: Jay Dyer

As some readers now know, I have decided not to become Eastern Orthodox. Though I confessed it for the past two and a half years and was a catechumen, I chose not to be chrismated, and thus not technically becoming Orthodox. I have, after much reflection and prayer, decided to return to Catholicism. I was also instructed by my spiritual advisors to publish this retraction. Let me say that also that this isn’t being posted as a subtle “challenge” to get Eastern Orthodox friends to spark a debate. I’m just not really as interested in that as I was as a 21 year-old Calvinist. I’m more interested in union with Christ nowadays, than debating every naysayer.
If you like the Eastern Spirituality, you could always embrace an Eastern Catholic Church and still be in Union with Rome. Have you thought about doing this? Is this something you would desire?
 
Oh yes, but I live in the middle of nowhere and the nearest Eastern Catholic Church would be in the range of 4-5 hours.
 
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