My Thoughts on Euthanasia and Assisted Suicide

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I was amazed by your post. It was so well written and eloquent and said a lot to me. I want you to know I hope this gets published as there is a lot to be said about adequate care…

God bless,
Mary.
 
I was amazed by your post. It was so well written and eloquent and said a lot to me. I want you to know I hope this gets published as there is a lot to be said about adequate care…

God bless,
Mary.
Thank you Mary, I appreciate your kind words. I think there’s a huge risk that palliative care is going to take a hit with this, plus all of the mental aspects that I mentioned.

Feel free to share this on the Facebooks or the Twitters if you are so inclined.
 
Thank you for sharing your post here, otherwise I wouldn’t have found it. God bless you and keep being the best father and husband possible!
 
Thank you for sharing your story. You expressed so well my own fears about this ruling. I don’t have any debilitating illnesses, but who knows what’s around the corner? We saw what a law allowing abortion did – instilled an attitude of apathy towards unborn children. This generation sees an unwanted pregnancy as nothing more than an inconvenience. How long before society starts seeing disabled people as nothing more than inconveniences, using up our resources? That’s a scary future to contemplate. I shared your article on my FB page.
 
Thank you for sharing this
Your welcome, and thank you for responding.
Thank you for sharing your post here, otherwise I wouldn’t have found it. God bless you and keep being the best father and husband possible!
Thank you! Having a great wife and son is good motivation to trying to be the best at those vocations.
Thank you for sharing your story. You expressed so well my own fears about this ruling. I don’t have any debilitating illnesses, but who knows what’s around the corner? We saw what a law allowing abortion did – instilled an attitude of apathy towards unborn children. This generation sees an unwanted pregnancy as nothing more than an inconvenience. How long before society starts seeing disabled people as nothing more than inconveniences, using up our resources? That’s a scary future to contemplate. I shared your article on my FB page.
Thank you for the kind words, and thank you for sharing this on Facebook. And you’re absolutely right; there’s certainly reason to be scared for the future.
Is that you ? That’s really you in the story ?
Yes, I am the Vagrant Catholic, and that is me in that post. That post is my life, what I live with every day. The photograph is myself and my son waiting for a bus. The good news is that he is young enough that he’s used to me having to cover my face, he doesn’t blink. He even reminds me to put it on when we leave the house.
 
Thank you for telling your story. I have been dealing with severe depression and anxiety for decades. Sometimes, my thoughts are not right, to put it one way. Some years back, Michigan cut back on mental heath treatment facilities which led to some dying. Then - a self-proclaimed “reformer” appeared. He helped people commit suicide and left their bodies at appropriate places. He was later jailed and has since died.

I think it’s important for those with similar and other debilitating conditions to network and not isolate themselves. Those fortunate to have family, friends and relatives can help. Support groups are another option for some. There was a day after I returned from the hospital when I asked God why He abandoned me, but it wasn’t the real me talking. God never left me and helped me every day. I think assisted suicide is not for healers - doctors. And I really have to question if some people with some conditions are really in a mental state that allows them to decide to do this or the pain/condition is modifying their thinking, making them truly unable to make a fully informed decision.

Yes, research is being done. One can always hope. In the meantime, as one priest put it, “stick to Jesus.” One day at a time.

God bless you and your family,

Ed
 
Your welcome, and thank you for responding.

Thank you! Having a great wife and son is good motivation to trying to be the best at those vocations.

Thank you for the kind words, and thank you for sharing this on Facebook. And you’re absolutely right; there’s certainly reason to be scared for the future.

Yes, I am the Vagrant Catholic, and that is me in that post. That post is my life, what I live with every day. The photograph is myself and my son waiting for a bus. The good news is that he is young enough that he’s used to me having to cover my face, he doesn’t blink. He even reminds me to put it on when we leave the house.
Oh man, that’t pretty intense. I’m really, inspired, how you deal with that.
I’ve been in and out of counseling for issues that are what I think, beyond my control.
Thanks for sharing that story. Is it cool if I PM, you ?
 
I’m sorry you are going through such torture, if i may call it that. You descriptions are detailed enough to imagine what it might be like. But, just imagining it only, is not enough i guess. Maybe i can’t really imagine it after all.

I have personal views on the subject matter, but i understand this to be a Catholic forum and also that certain sensitivities are to be respected.

Once again, i am sorry you have to suffer so much.

Simon
 
I’m sorry you are going through such torture, if i may call it that. You descriptions are detailed enough to imagine what it might be like. But, just imagining it only, is not enough i guess. Maybe i can’t really imagine it after all.

I have personal views on the subject matter, but i understand this to be a Catholic forum and also that certain sensitivities are to be respected.

Once again, i am sorry you have to suffer so much.

Simon
That was epically well said.
 
Thank you all (especially Ed, who I’ve read several of his posts inthe past) for your replies. While at Mass today I had an addition thought regarding this:

“For the ‘normals’, suicide is a tragedy. For us, it’s a privilege”.

Kount (or anyone else), feel free to private message me if you are so inclined. And again, if anyone wants to share this, feel free.
 
Melchior,

I have a question. Do you believe that the terrible conditions you suffer bring you closer to Jesus? I only ask because iv’e read pieces here and there on how many of the saints have viewed suffering and what it meant to them. Some, it seemed, and i may be wrong, encouraged it. If i may also add, You, yourself , appear to have no one to point a finger of blame to for the cross you carry, Which is admirable and causes me to at least think. I have often pointed mine in God’s direction, even when i lack belief in Him, as i still do.

I fear some of my opinions may not be in in keeping with the Catholic faith i was Baptised into and with that, what is considered right and wrong sometimes.

You wrote about mental health. I am also familiar with some issues regarding mental health, only in that was in and out of one particular hospital the most and a couple of others, depending on where i was found sometimes. I found it intrusive and pointless because i did not wish to comply and it only led to my eventual release anyway. I was forced there on all occasion. Here in the UK is called “sectioning”, where, once “assessed”, you may not have a choice but to go there…Or be led there!

What i am trying to say, without offending, is that the choice is there for assisted suicide, but it is not forced, am i right? Please excuse my ignorance because i know little about all the details. I know little about most things.

Please only write back also when it is not so painful to you as you described, if that is possible.

Forgive any typos, punctuation and grammatical errors in my comments.I probably would not notice most and write purely through instinct and hesitation (when i worry about it) at times… I did not educate myself enough and avoided it like the plague earlier in my life.

Simon
 
Thank you for writing this. I’ll definitely be keeping it bookmarked to share.

You’ve done a wonderful job explaining something that I have struggled to explain and have certainly never managed to do so eloquently. Like you I wonder if I am one of those that others would deem to be living a life not worth living. Five mental illnesses at last count. Life is good now, but has certainly been very dark in the past. I don’t doubt that had I been given this option at that time I would have taken it. It scares me that perhaps one day that will be an option given to people in my position. It isn’t only cheaper than treatment, it’s easier and it’s guaranteed success.
 
I think it’s a fantasy that some sort of legislative scheme can prevent abuse. But for argument’s sake let’s say it can. The judgement devalues the lives of people who live with physical and mental illnesses. People who commit suicide in these circumstances are often portrayed as heroic and rational. I can’t see why. Clearly people like yourself are heroic and rational although you won’t see that in the MSM.

The logic of the Court is self-defeating. Once the right of assisted suicide is given why should it be restricted to certain individuals? Alcoholics and drug addicts? The poor? Anyone facing the infirmities of old age? Future courts are going to say you can jump off a bridge? I don’t think so. Doctor assisted suicide will become a common and socially approved choice. It is an embrace of despair.

What of the effect of those who love the individual who choses to commit suicide? Apparently, we are going to step back and accept their choice. Really? In your example, I can only imagine the pain you would cause your wife and son if you chose such an option.

This is the product of a sick and depraved culture. People like yourself are heroes and rational. May the peace of the Lord never leave you.
 
I think it’s a fantasy that some sort of legislative scheme can prevent abuse. But for argument’s sake let’s say it can. The judgement devalues the lives of people who live with physical and mental illnesses. People who commit suicide in these circumstances are often portrayed as heroic and rational. I can’t see why. Clearly people like yourself are heroic and rational although you won’t see that in the MSM.

The logic of the Court is self-defeating. Once the right of assisted suicide is given why should it be restricted to certain individuals? Alcoholics and drug addicts? The poor? Anyone facing the infirmities of old age? Future courts are going to say you can jump off a bridge? I don’t think so. Doctor assisted suicide will become a common and socially approved choice. It is an embrace of despair.

What of the effect of those who love the individual who choses to commit suicide? Apparently, we are going to step back and accept their choice. Really? In your example, I can only imagine the pain you would cause your wife and son if you chose such an option.

This is the product of a sick and depraved culture. People like yourself are heroes and rational. May the peace of the Lord never leave you.
This is such an eloquent post, especially the words" It is an embrace of despair." I hope you don’t mind if I use those words when I discuss this issue with others.

God bless,
Mary.
 
I have a question. Do you believe that the terrible conditions you suffer bring you closer to Jesus? I only ask because iv’e read pieces here and there on how many of the saints have viewed suffering and what it meant to them. Some, it seemed, and i may be wrong, encouraged it. If i may also add, You, yourself , appear to have no one to point a finger of blame to for the cross you carry, Which is admirable and causes me to at least think. I have often pointed mine in God’s direction, even when i lack belief in Him, as i still do.
You’re not going to be believe the first reading this past Sunday.

*Reading 1 JB 7:1-4, 6-7

Job spoke, saying:
Is not man’s life on earth a drudgery?
Are not his days those of hirelings?
He is a slave who longs for the shade,
a hireling who waits for his wages.
So I have been assigned months of misery,
and troubled nights have been allotted to me.
If in bed I say, “When shall I arise?”
then the night drags on;
I am filled with restlessness until the dawn.
My days are swifter than a weaver’s shuttle;
they come to an end without hope.
Remember that my life is like the wind;
I shall not see happiness again.*

Followed by:
PS 147:1-2, 3-4, 5-6
He heals the brokenhearted
and binds up their wounds.
He tells the number of the stars;
he calls each by name.
R. Praise the Lord, who heals the brokenhearted.


At times I feel at peace, other times I feel like I’m being “Job’d out” (yes, I use this expression offline). I would say that like Job and Jacob this is leading me closer to Christ (and there’s plenty of souls in purgatory who are being freed due to my offering of this pain), but like Job and Jacob, I struggle. I get angry at God, I question God. I ask God why this is, why things are the way that they are. There are times I can do nothing but lie down and ask God and my wife “why?”. Times where I am bitter and envious of others who can do things that I cannot. Be reminded of things that I can no longer do as my body betrays me.

But make no mistake, there is a purpose. I was placed here for a reason. Pain reminds us we are alive, reminds us of purpose. The Lord will see me through this, as He does all of His servants. Either in this world or the world to come. He does not mind my anger, He does not mind my raging bitterness. He knows my heart’s desire, and He knows that I have purpose. He has provided for me a helpmate, and a heir - both of whom are irreplaceable. He has given me skills to aid in ministry - just last night I was volunteering at my church’s youth group, which I have done for eleven years now.

I have been given much. I have had much taken away. He knows how I feel, and through the Sacraments He sends me messages of peace between the storm.

Pardon my waxing poetic. I enjoy writing, and during the times I am physically able to I tend to get carried away.
You wrote about mental health. I am also familiar with some issues regarding mental health, only in that was in and out of one particular hospital the most and a couple of others, depending on where i was found sometimes. I found it intrusive and pointless because i did not wish to comply and it only led to my eventual release anyway. I was forced there on all occasion. Here in the UK is called “sectioning”, where, once “assessed”, you may not have a choice but to go there…Or be led there!

What i am trying to say, without offending, is that the choice is there for assisted suicide, but it is not forced, am i right? Please excuse my ignorance because i know little about all the details. I know little about most things.
If people are a danger to themselves or others, they need to be protected somehow. And that may include being placed in a secure area, where they can be treated. I know someone who was temporarily admitted once, it was the right thing to do then, and if she reaches that state once more it’ll happen again.

For assisted suicide, someone could present a choice, but you’re not protecting them or others from harming themselves or others. There’s also an illusion of choice; if people think that people are going to be 100% altruistic with this, they’re naive. They’re a burden, they have money, they have land, all sorts of reasons to either convince people to die, or become their legal guardian. Already happens in today’s system(s).
 
I think it’s a fantasy that some sort of legislative scheme can prevent abuse. But for argument’s sake let’s say it can. The judgement devalues the lives of people who live with physical and mental illnesses. People who commit suicide in these circumstances are often portrayed as heroic and rational. I can’t see why. Clearly people like yourself are heroic and rational although you won’t see that in the MSM.

The logic of the Court is self-defeating. Once the right of assisted suicide is given why should it be restricted to certain individuals? Alcoholics and drug addicts? The poor? Anyone facing the infirmities of old age? Future courts are going to say you can jump off a bridge? I don’t think so. Doctor assisted suicide will become a common and socially approved choice. It is an embrace of despair.

What of the effect of those who love the individual who choses to commit suicide? Apparently, we are going to step back and accept their choice. Really? In your example, I can only imagine the pain you would cause your wife and son if you chose such an option.

This is the product of a sick and depraved culture. People like yourself are heroes and rational. May the peace of the Lord never leave you.
An amazing and brilliant post, thank you so much for this (and also for the kind words, although I certainly do not consider myself a hero).
 
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