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Valtiel
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This guy is really starting to get to me, spiritually to…
not even the orginal transcripted word translates into that. It is infact synomous with baptism. Jeez it’s like banging my head against a brick wall, only slightly less gratifyingCould say the same of you, when martin schimsed from the catholic church and created protestantism and all it’s doctrines, something that you cannot prove existed before hand, he held none of the beliefs you do. In fact mainstream protestantism has changed and fluxed way too much from it’s roots. And the 36,000 differen’t sects and interpretaions do not exactly support your entire beleifs as being apart of the the true roots of christianity, and seems also to make obvious the man made ideology attached to protestantism. I would say that constitutes a hec of a lot of confusion, doesn’t it? The cathoilc church is the only church that is unified and comes straight from Peter. I really am starting to see what you mean about this guy montanaman, and not just from this post, **since when the bloody hec does water refer to being in the womb, **
Read the passage,
4 “How can a man be born when he is old?” Nicodemus asked. **“Surely he cannot enter a second time into his mother’s womb to be born!” **{Born of the Womb}
5Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water {Born of the Womb}and the Spirit.
6 Flesh gives birth to flesh{Born of the Womb}, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit.
You bang your head because you are dense.
[1]Think about, if you can just recieve Christ and thats it, whats done is done, nothing can be undone. So then why is he against catholicism, seriosuly if it’s one something can do and still be saved, then he can’t logically be against it, And with all the 36,000 protestant translations and interpretations and no set church ,] hec the catholic church has to be right some where right? So you have no basis for your ideology against the catholic church right, centurian? Man what a muddled mess of confusion, I’ve given my self a head ache…One question for centurian, I’m assuming here he believes the “once saved, always saved” doctrine.**What right or grounds then does he have to be against the catholic church? **
[1] They are a tool of satan used to counterfit the truth as a effort to retard spiritual growth of believers.
[2] The basis againt the RCC is the bible it self.
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Umm no.St. Paul, it appears, felt his own responsibility was preaching rather than baptism. This does not mean that the Corinthians should not be baptized, but that he felt other Church leaders, in lower positions than himself, should have that responsibility–lest any man boast.
He stated no such thing, about lower doing the dirty work.
Since we are baptized BY THE SPIRIT, water baptism was the tool to show that.
People was elevating the ritual over the doctrine, so Paul ceased the ritual.
The gospel saves. Not baptism.
1 Peter 3:21 (Young’s Literal Translation)“Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a clear conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ” (1 Peter 3:21).
21 also to which an antitype doth now save us – baptism, (not a putting away of the filth of flesh, but the question of a good conscience in regard to God,) through the rising again of Jesus Christ,
What is peter saying, its not the bath that saves you. But Christ.
He is speaking of a baptism of the Spirit.
1 Cor 12:13
13 for also in one Spirit we all to one body were baptized, whether Jews or Greeks, whether servants or freemen, and all into one Spirit were made to drink,
[1]your assuming that belief in Christ somehow excludes a salvific role for baptism. John 3:16 also doesn’t mention repentance–but other passages in Scripture clearly do.[2]On I Cor. 1 and John 3:16,your simply asserting with no evidence that faith and baptism are somehow opposed to each other. prove this. John 3:16 doesn’t say that baptism doesn’t save.
[1] IT states belief in Christ. Saves. PERIOD. Was the thief on the Cross next to christ baptized?
[2] Those “other” passages relate to spiritual growth, falling away and returning, and many other things. Yet the RCC applies them to salvation. Which is not the purpose of those passages.
