N.O. experience

[paperwight66]

Is that why they call Diocesan Bishops the Ordinary?

Like it!

 

[juno24]

My apologies for the opaque wording. It was not my intent to criticize the intent of the parishoners. What I will say is that I’ve always enjoyed the bowing and kneeling present in a Tridentine Mass before receiving. There is no such appreciation at the Evangelical services I’ve always attended. Holy Communion is without the “Holy.” Even if it is considered symbolic, I think there should be reverence to such a sacred tradition.

Thank you for clarifying what you actually meant to say. Yes, I agree, we should all keep a sense of the holiness of Communion. Please, though, try not to mistake our obedience to our bishops, who have told us to stand to receive communion, with a lack of reverence.

 

[ConstantineTG]

“ordinary” implies “nothing special”

Just to add to my earlier point, ordinary doesn’t have to be bad, and special doesn’t always mean better. An ordinary day is when the sun rises, you wake up, you go about your usual routine, you eat, take a shower, go to work, go home, relax, sun comes down (its summer so sunset is like 8:30pm where I am ), you sleep. And tomorrow, ordinary again.

Sure, seems boring, but the next day may not be so ordinary. Your routine might be broken when you get run over by a bus. Yikes! I’d take ordinary over that special kind of day. Better drab than dead

Also a quick googling of the Latin states that ordinary means permanent, the norm, usual, customary, regular. I don’t see anything wrong with that

 

[Cat]

I forgive you for not reading my opening message thoroughly. May I ask: how far into the thread did you actually read? Clearly not very far. Mine was an observation, I didn’t pretend to give a lesson on how a Mass should be done. If you read my posts, you would know that I’m not even Catholic, never was. I’m from a Pentecostal denomination.

I read the entire thread. If I don’t read a thread, I always make a point to say so if I decide to jump in at the end and post.

Additionally, I didn’t make a comment upon whether the people were reverencing “enough” or not. I said the whole thing*** seemed less reverent***. I’ve made absolutely no judgment upon what people felt.

Forgive me for misinterpreting you.

Actually, this is what you said: “Then when the Mass started, it was totally different from the Latin Mass. It seemed truncated, it was half spoken, partially sung. There were two podiums. On one a woman was leading some of the singing, on the other, a woman was reading from scripture. I’ve never seen this before. Usually the priest always did everything at the Latin Mass, sung the whole service, and gave communion on the tongue. Everyone in this church had it put in their hands. ]When the priest consecrated it, there didn’t seem to be much reverence for what was going on. Perhaps I’m just a fool.”

(boldface and italics mine)

It seemed to me that your comment “there didn’t seem to be much reverence for what was going on” was referring to the people. Isn’t it the people that you are saying were not reverent? It sounds like it to me, since none of the things you describe are irreverent, or liturgically-incorrect, or abusive, or trite.

The priest was using the proper liturgy for the consecration, right? Receiving Holy Communion in the hand is permitted, and many people do this reverently. Women leading singing is permitted. So is women reading.

None of these practices are in and of themselves irreverent. It is the people who approach the practice with reverence or irreverence in their heart.

My “Church family” is not the same as yours. My parents abandoned Catholicism and converted to Pentecostalism long before I was even born (before they were even married). There is nothing that I knew that “changed” since I was born. And given that I was born in 1990, the Vatican II reforms were more than well established by that point, anyway.

Given that I’m from a Pentecostal upbringing, I’m pretty sure that I’ve never had a problem with contemporary music. Additionally, it was the Catholic approval of the charismatic movement that partially got me interested in Catholicism.

Again, I apologize for offending you. You did say you were “lapsed.” I assumed that meant you have not been practicing Christianity.

One more thing: I’d like to add that if you’ve read any of my posts on the Non-Catholic Religions subforum, you would see that I’ve always treated Catholicism with respect and dignity, and have even defended it.

I apologize, I haven’t noticed your posts. I appreciate that you treat Catholicism with respect and dignity. However, I think it was somewhat disrespectful of you to assume that OF Masses are “irreverent” and to use as your “proof” examples that are perfectly acceptable in the OF Mass; e.g., women leading the readings, Communion received in the hand, etc. You said that your heart was broken over these things, but this is the only OF Mass you have attended. That’s really not very fair of you.

My apologies for the opaque wording. It was not my intent to criticize the intent of the parishoners. What I will say is that I’ve always enjoyed the bowing and kneeling present in a Tridentine Mass before receiving. There is no such appreciation at the Evangelical services I’ve always attended. Holy Communion is without the “Holy.” Even if it is considered symbolic, I think there should be reverence to such a sacred tradition.

Thank you for your post.

 

[AndyP2010]

I don’t get it. Novus Ordo Missae means New Order of the Mass. But some prefer it be called the Ordinary Form. Yes, I know, The pope does too. I’m fine with it.

“did you go to the TLM or the ordinary Mass ?”
“did you go to a TLM or the Novus Ordo Mass ?”

“ordinary” seems a much easier choice if one meant to degrade the OF/NO
“ordinary” implies “nothing special”

jmo

You know if I ever meet Daniel Cardinal DiNardo does this mean, I can refer to him as the Local “nothing special”. So is my parish priest the “nothing special” minister of Holy Communion? I guess I could go on but I think I have made my point.

 

[ConstantineTG]

You know if I ever meet Daniel Cardinal DiNardo does this mean, I can refer to him as the Local “nothing special”. So is my parish priest the “nothing special” minister of Holy Communion? I guess I could go on but I think I have made my point.

I guess that makes the Traditional Latin Mass as the Extra-nothing special Mass

 

[ProVobis]

(Anglophone) Definition of ORDINARY

1a (1) : a prelate exercising original jurisdiction over a specified territory or group (2) : a clergyman appointed formerly in England to attend condemned criminals b : a judge of probate in some states of the United States

2 often capitalized : the parts of the Mass that do not vary from day to day

3: the regular or customary condition or course of things —usually used in the phrase out of the ordinary

4a British : a meal served to all comers at a fixed price b chiefly British : a tavern or eating house serving regular meals

5: a common heraldic charge (as the bend) of simple form

 

[FabiusMaximus]

The priest was using the proper liturgy for the consecration, right? Receiving Holy Communion in the hand is permitted, and many people do this reverently. Women leading singing is permitted. So is women reading.

It just seemed entirely different than what I saw at the Tridentine Mass. I assumed they would have been all more or less like that.

I apologize, I haven’t noticed your posts. I appreciate that you treat Catholicism with respect and dignity. However, I think it was somewhat disrespectful of you to assume that OF Masses are “irreverent” and to use as your “proof” examples that are perfectly acceptable in the OF Mass; e.g., women leading the readings, Communion received in the hand, etc. You said that your heart was broken over these things, but this is the only OF Mass you have attended. That’s really not very fair of you.

Most likely won’t be the last time, my friend. I’ll give it another shot and be fair, as you say. Perhaps I’ll check it out at another parish. This area has many.

 

[AndyP2010]

(Anglophone) Definition of ORDINARY

1a (1) : a prelate exercising original jurisdiction over a specified territory or group (2) : a clergyman appointed formerly in England to attend condemned criminals b : a judge of probate in some states of the United States

2 often capitalized : the parts of the Mass that do not vary from day to day

3: the regular or customary condition or course of things —usually used in the phrase out of the ordinary

4a British : a meal served to all comers at a fixed price b chiefly British : a tavern or eating house serving regular meals

5: a common heraldic charge (as the bend) of simple form

sigh!
Which was the point of CTG’s and mine responses to At Trent’s “nothing special” comment.

 

[ProVobis]

sigh!
Which was the point of CTG’s and mine responses to At Trent’s “nothing special” comment.

But he thinks in Latin (“forma ordinaria”) and wants to be precise so that should excuse him. Right, Trent?

 

[Wildkit]

Most likely won’t be the last time, my friend. I’ll give it another shot and be fair, as you say. Perhaps I’ll check it out at another parish. This area has many.

We are fortunate my friend!

As I remarked before, may the Lord be with you as you seek the truth on your journey!