Name that Vestment

[Pope_Noah_I]

On John XXIII, under the Fanon, but over the Alb. There seems to be a complete lack of a Chasuble…

 

[Pope_Noah_I]

…what? Nobody knows?

 

[Jennifer_G]

On John XXIII, under the Fanon, but over the Alb. There seems to be a complete lack of a Chasuble…

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p295/Master_Bo_Rai_Cho/J23Eastern.jpg

Stole?

From wikipedia -

It consists of a doubled shoulder-cape (somewhat like a mozzetta) of white silk ornamented with narrow woven golden stripes, so that the colors alternate white and gold. The first end of the fanon is placed under the stole and the second over the chasuble, under the white pallium. The two pieces of the falda are nearly circular in shape but somewhat unequal in size and the smaller is laid over and fastened to the larger one. To allow the head to pass through there is a round opening in the middle with a vertical slit running down farther. The front part of the fanon is ornamented with a small cross embroidered in gold.

 

[Pope_Noah_I]

No, no, no. There’s no Chasuble on Papa John, just that thing that looks like a Sakkos, what is it?

 

[bpbasilphx]

Looks like a sakkos? It IS a sakkos, which is worn i/o the chasuble by Byzantine bishops, though why he would confuse the issue by wearing tiara, fanon, and pallium over it (though the pallium and omophorion are really the same), mixing Latin and Byzantine, is beyond me.

This ls clearly a Melkite liturgy (rather than Ruthenian or Ukrainian). Apparently they are considering the tiara the equivalent of the Byzantine mitre, and thus would follow the “one-step-down” rule where only the senior bishop wears a mitre; the rest wear the klobuk (monastic headdress).

 

[Pope_Noah_I]

Looks like a sakkos? It IS a sakkos, which is worn i/o the chasuble by Byzantine bishops, though why he would confuse the issue by wearing tiara, fanon, and pallium over it (though the pallium and omophorion are really the same), mixing Latin and Byzantine, is beyond me.

This ls clearly a Melkite liturgy (rather than Ruthenian or Ukrainian). Apparently they are considering the tiara the equivalent of the Byzantine mitre, and thus would follow the “one-step-down” rule where only the senior bishop wears a mitre; the rest wear the klobuk (monastic headdress).

Wow, my love for Bl. John XXIII just like doubled, though it would have been better if he went all out Byzantine…

 

[Caesar]

It is an interesting picture. Pope John celebrating an Eastern liturgy wearing a combination of Latin and Eastern vestments, along with the Papal tiara, and that priest (the MC?) beside him in the cassock and Latin surplice only adds to the confusion

 

[AJV]

and that priest (the MC?) beside him in the cassock and Latin surplice only adds to the confusion

Yes, that is Msgr. Dante, the Papal MC (and one of the best). Mercifully for him, he passed away before the final stage of reforms to the TLM were ushered in, just two years before the NO. He was have been heartbroken (among other things) otherwise.