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Tuno
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What does that mean, DPM, “…made for God’s Righteousness, Judgement and Mercy?” You make God sound like an egomaniac fundamentalist preacher. Are you projecting on to God? You, know, anthropomorphizing?
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Tuno
Thanks for the reply
The Bible doesn’t prove or fulfill the Truth, it lets the Truth be known. (As in “Let there be Light”) It is the Presence of God that fulfills it. That does not mean that Scripture can not to be used for verification that some one speaks accurately in respect to the Truth of God.
But what is human existence for? Isn’t it the necessity of man to experience to love and be loved to trust and be trusted to have expectations and to be expected of. To know what is true and what is not true to receive of life and to give of life, the way to be and not the way to be. To achieve and share wisdom, knowledge and understanding. To know righteousness, and good judgement, and to have mercy when it is appropriate when righteousness and judgement is not fulfilled.
Nothing else, known in the universe contemplates and seeks to experience these things, that are of God.
Or is human existence for the domination of one another, and or the consumption of everything that one find at his hand the one would or could desire (even one another)?
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Soulwolf
thanks for the reply
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To think or believe that God made to you be upright and blessed, against your own will, just how stupid would that be?
And how can uprightness and blessing be accomplish without the One who made you to be such? Despite one’s shortcomings in the fulfillment thereof.
thanks for the reply
and Also Tuno
To think or believe that God made to you be upright and blessed, against your own will, just how stupid would that be?
And how can uprightness and blessing be accomplish without the One who made you to be such? Despite one’s shortcomings in the fulfillment thereof.
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Tuno
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I believe we agree in essence, DPM. I just have had too much of preaching that has the distinct taste of God as an adversary, or better that man is essentially in an adversarial relationship with God. And there is so much, or was during my time in the Church, emphasis on guilt and cleansing as distinct from happy cooperation with what in the beginning was man’s soul relationship with God anyway. And I truly believe that the story of the Fall is completely misunderstood, either as a matter of ignorance, or momentum, now, of habit. Such might be the result of the definitely patristic slant of the Church’s interpretations. It also has much to do with the notion that Man largely thinks that he is what he thinks he is. That is not my experience. And though I do not subscribe to the standard accusation of the Church descending from “mythical” religions, there certainly is something to be said for the interpretation of the life of Jesus and a great deal of the Bible as parable as well as a history.
In other words, my outburst about the flavor of your first contribution has to do with the apparent general assumption that denies Man the credibility of good will by emphasizing too much his entropic tendencies. While these clearly exist, the reason for them perhaps is distorted in the blame oriented doctrine of the Church. Maybe, just maybe, there is another way of looking at all that.
In other words, my outburst about the flavor of your first contribution has to do with the apparent general assumption that denies Man the credibility of good will by emphasizing too much his entropic tendencies. While these clearly exist, the reason for them perhaps is distorted in the blame oriented doctrine of the Church. Maybe, just maybe, there is another way of looking at all that.
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scottm
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Aye, but supposedly only 3-5% of the world’s population is “teal,” and only a little more are “green,” and those are the levels this subject speaks to.
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Soulewolf
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interesting. Do you see this number rising in the last 20-25 years?Aye, but supposedly only 3-5% of the world’s population is “teal,” and only a little more are “green,” and those are the levels this subject speaks to.
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Tuno
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Wow. 3>5%? I’m thinking that maybe 1/500, 000,000 at the upper edge of teal, and about 1/1,000,000 capable of “getting” what they are about, to some degree. and a whole lot more who are on the edge of that enough to be attracted. Your numbers say 180 to 220 million. I don’t think so, though I hope I’m wrong. If 4% was the case, the tide would already be way turned. Right now, eg, it is less than 1% who own about half the world’s wealth. Are they covering up the Teals that well?
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scottm
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That’s the statistic I heard from Ken Wilber’s stuff. I should say, it’s 3-5% teal or higher. I have no idea how he polled it (though I would love to know), or whether he has stats for different decades.
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Tuno
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Ego centric for sure, but I am just extrapolating from how many non dualists I’m aware of even through his site. I just don’t see a number higher than 1%. PLEASE prove me wrong! 
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scottm
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I understand. But just think of it the other way around: I used to know only two. I’ve increased my personal sphere more than 100%. You’ve increased your sphere also.
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Tuno
thanks for the reply
I would agree that there is definitely something amiss. When we should know and agree that Jesus Christ is the interpretation and fulfillment of the Will of God for mankind.
On the subject of blame, and discontent on ways of the Church. Been down that road, but then again, what does the bible say?
Rom:3:3: For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?
James says that we should look to the prophets in God’s longsuffering for the latter rain. And if you read guys like Isaiah or Jeremiah one can see this, that no matter what Israel’s spiritual condition in it’s relationship with the Lord their God they never left the Children of Israel. Their trust was in the Word of the Lord their God, not in the doings of Israel.
And in the same Peter teaches the we should not leave the Brotherhood. And I believe this is in the same.
Do not blame the world or the Church for your trust in the God of Truth, or your lack of trust in the God of Truth for the Word of God is available to all who call upon His Name our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
As far as the subject of history and it’s value. If you notice man’s history of his doings in the world always fall into the dust. And to find out what might have happened they have to dig it up out of the dirt to see a glimpse thereof and speculate to fill in the planks. But the history of what God does in the world, is never forgotten nor can anybody change but God.
As far as outburst? I’ve been called worse, for lesser things
Just call me at dinner time.
May the Lord Jesus be with you always.
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Tuno
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Thanks
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