"Natural living" vs good stewardship

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Hmm, I hope this isn’t too esoteric of a topic line but let me give it a shot…

I have been struggling lately with my desire to eat more healthfully versus our family’s need to save money. What I mean by healthful is more natural, organic, less-processed, higher-quality and unfortunately more expensive foods.

The specific diet that I am interested in comes from Sally Fallon’s “Nourishing Traditions” cookbook, which emphasizes animal proteins, raw dairy products, fermented foods, etc. That isn’t really the part I am struggling with. I like the book. I think it offers sound advice, which I take with a grain of salt (Celtic Sea Salt–$4.19 for 6 oz–ba dum bum!) and remind myself not to fall into the trap of making my diet my religion.

I don’t intend to debate the merits of this particular diet, but I am curious about those who have chosen to follow “special diets” out of conviction rather than immediate health needs balance the higher costs of most “natural” foods with our duty to be good stewards of our family resources. My husband doesn’t share my dietary interests and mainly wishes for me to get tasty food on the table in a timely manner and spend as little as possible doing it.

Let me give an example of how much more things can cost. A gallon of any kind of regular grocery store milk in our area is usually about $3.99. A really good sale prices is $2.50 a gallon. Organic milk sells for about $6 a gallon. Raw milk (not homogenized, not pasteurized) when you can get it (trucked in from another county via ferry and purchased via a co-op) can range from $8 to $12 per gallon!!!

My family of 5 consumes about 2 gallons of milk per week. Five dollars versus $24 is a big difference!

Some thoughts have occurred to me while enamored of this diet. What exactly is our good health for? To spend excessive time or money in pursuit of “health” in merely a preventative manner when no immediate health threats are known seems wrong.

I recently read a novel that featured a community of monks living in the big city running a food bank (based on the FFR). These monks first sorted the donated food into sacks for the poor and then kept whatever was left over for themselves on a daily basis. If it was a can of lima beans and a couple carrots, that’s what they shared among themselves. In other words, they were not worrying about whether the foods they ate were sprayed with pesticides, farmed in fair trade farms or raised on organic feed. They just ate whatever was provided to them.

Obviously, religious brothers live by a stricter set of rules than my family does. I’m not suggesting my little kiddos should go begging like St. Francis. I do want to provide for them very healthy foods, not junk. Often the cheapest foods are the most unhealthy. My husband and I (pre-children) often lived on less than $40 in groceries a week, eating nothing but ramen noodles, macaroni and cheese, etc. I don’t think anyone would argue that highly-processed foods are better for you than homemade dishes.

Where is the balance?

If I buy cheaper foods and give my money to the mega-grocery chain store I feel guilty. If I buy more expensive foods at the locally-owned farmer-friendly natural foods store I feel guilty.

I suppose there is no one good answer to this question. But I would like to hear others’ thoughts on this regardless.

Thanks,
LeeAnn
The Hidden Life
 
Wow, I feel like you wrote that post by sneaking into my mind and reading my thoughts:D

I am slowly trying to transition to eating healthier. Same criteria as you: organic, unprocessed, and as natural as possible. But for me it is part of treating my chronic illness. And boy is it expensive!!!

Right now I am awaiting a decision on disability benefits. If that comes through (God willing) then the money will be helpful in all aspects of our life but will allow me to do things to help myself be as healthy as possible.

So right now on our limited budget (we don’t have children so this is definitely easier for us) I just concentrate on making healthier choices one by one. For example, if the cost difference between regular store milk and top quality organic unpasteurized milk is too large to manage right now…don’t. Start with small choices. An organic bread instead of wonder bread. Mostly I am at the elimination stage… I am trying to cut out alot of the foods that are just not good for us.

It is not easy. I hope some other people can help you out with this. But since it is an issue of health (yours and your children’s) I believe that if you do not make diet “your religion” then you are doing the right thing.

Finella
 
OT- Finella- I love your sig line 👍

I too, am struggling with wanting to buy organic everything. Milk being my biggest issue- here I can buy a gallon of regular milk for $2, but organic hormone free is $6 a gallon. And-- get this- my family of 5 drinks 5-7 gallons/week :eek: . I have decided that the hormone free is most important for my daughter (from my reading) so I buy the hormone free for her and regular for the rest of us.

I have found that buying fruits and veggies at the local farm stand is about half as much as at the grocery store (partly b/c I am only buying “in season” there too). I try to determine which foods are most necessary to buy organic, ie- bananas- such a tough skin that you don’t eat- I don’t care if they’ve been sprayed with pesticides, but my strawberries- I do care.

For breads- I have a breadmaker that I love and I also buy whole wheat wonder (look for bread “outlets” near you to make whole grain breads cheaper).

There is a balance with what most families can afford as far as organics go, and we do need to be careful with the money we have. It is good that you are trying to find the right balance for your family.
 
It’s tough, isn’t it? The choice between the budget and healthy, unprocessed foods. As for why we should be concerned, quite frankly we don’t yet know the long-term effects of food additives on the body. We don’t know what the hormones that are given to cows to produce more milk or to the chickens to lay more eggs and grow larger muscles will do to us, or to our reproductive systems and thus to our children and their reproductive systems, etc. We know there’s obviously something wrong with the American diet, but it’s difficult to p(name removed by moderator)oint only one thing- our portions are too large, we eat too much fat, salt, sugar, etc., we don’t get enough exercise, and all of these things can spell out a LOT of trouble in adulthood if they are not taken care of when people are still children. IMO it’s shameful that in the world’s wealthiest country, we still have to worry about what kind of junk is in our food and what it will do to us.

Right now it’s just me and my husband, so the bills are a little cheaper. But we’re not wealthy, and organics are expensive. We don’t go through a lot of milk, and due to lactose intolerance I drink soy milk, so if I buy a a half-gallon of organic hormone-free milk and a half-gallon of organic soy milk it usually lasts us at least a week (at $3/half gallon for each, it’s not that much right now).

Organic eggs are also expensive, and we do go through a lot of those. Sometimes it’s hard to rationalize spending $3/dozen for the eggs from organically-fed, cage-free hens (as opposed to 99 cents for a regular dozen) but they do taste better and I know they’re better for us as well as for the chickens. Our other splurge is hormone-, antibiotic-, and additive-free chicken from an Amish farm. It’s more expensive than Tyson but it tastes better, and I don’t have to worry about what they’ve decided to feed the chickens.

Jess mentioned a breadmaker- we love ours when I don’t have time to make our bread by hand. Flour and yeast are pretty cheap, and you can put as many whole-grains in as you want.

Otherwise, we just try to eat healthy- we’ve mostly cut out fast foods, soda, and we’ve cut way back on sugary snacks and commercially prepared foods. There’s only so much you can do unless you’re wealthy.
 
😉 For some “Catholic content”, here are some of my favorite healthy cookbooks and authors (can you tell that I collect cookbooks?):
  1. Brother Victor-Antoine d’Avila Latourette, OSB: author of Twelve Months of Monastery Soups and From a Monastery Kitchen, books that are mostly vegetarian and have an emphasis on fresh produce and whole foods. (I own both and they’re great, and are divided up according to months or seasons so you can make the most of seasonal produce.)
  2. Fr. Dominic Garramone, OSB: author of the Breaking Bread with Fr. Dominic cookbook series. I own all three of these books, and love them- many of the bread recipes are side-by-side with their bread machine counterparts, and there are some neat non-bread recipes in the books as well.
  3. Br. Rick Curry, SJ: author of *Secrets of Jesuit Breadmaking *(and Secrets of Jesuit Soupmaking, which I don’t yet own). I’ve made several of the recipes from this book- including a heavenly Cracked Wheat bread- but I also enjoy just reading the little comments on the breads, spirituality and faith, various Jesuit saints, and the author’s experiences in the novitiate and as a Jesuit.
 
You might try the La Leche League’s “Whole Foods for the Whole Family.” I bought it used off of amazon.com for 12.00 and it’s amazing. So many cheap, “natural” recipies that are very yummy and totally healthy!

we make homemade breads quite a bit instead of storebought.

I have to admit–I’ve never gotten into organic milk because of both the price AND the danger of ingesting something that is unpastuerized. but, i’m sure you have all weighed your decision carefully against the danger of hormones, etc.
 
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Princess_Abby:
I have to admit–I’ve never gotten into organic milk because of both the price AND the danger of ingesting something that is unpastuerized. but, i’m sure you have all weighed your decision carefully against the danger of hormones, etc.
Yeah, I haven’t been able to get past the “unpasturized” thing, either. We like the Horizon ultrapasturized organic milk, which literally lasts for weeks in the fridge. It’s great when we’re going through a phase where we’re not using much of it- we waste a lot less due to spoilage.
 
Hi LeeAnn,

We follow a more-or-less “Nourishing Traditions” diet, too. 🙂 It’s centered around the types of foods that all families used to eat, from Biblical times until very recently. As such, I don’t think it’s extravagant at all.

Many unhealthy foods are cheap, but not all healthy foods are expensive. According to Weston Price’s “Nutrition and Physical Degeneration,” societies have thrived on a wide range of diets. Many of them didn’t drink milk at all. For instance, he mentions Scottish islanders who had never seen a cow. (They got their calcium from small bony fish, I think.) This made me realize that we could adapt our eating habits to use the most economical foods that are available to us, as peasants have always done. In our case, this means less muscle meat and fresh fish; more bone broths, canned fish, beans, whole grains, organ meats, and green vegetables.

Of course, we like our meat…and I’m sure your family does, too…but limiting it is a sure way to make Sundays and feast days special. 🙂

We don’t plan to cut back on milk, despite the expense. I drank a quart of certified raw milk a day when I was pregnant; the total cost was about $1000! :eek: I’d do it again next time, though, as I think it was a great investment in my daughter’s health. As our family grows, it would be great to live somewhere where we could keep a cow or goat.

Regarding stewardship: no matter what type of diet we’re following, we try to buy most of our food from small, responsibly-run, family farms. We feel that this is a way for us to live our faith by encouraging subsidiarity, the welfare of farm workers and animals, and the health of the soil. As such, we consider some of the cost of our food to be an “investment in the future.” (It’s also an investment in our children’s education; we look forward to taking them to visit “our” farms when they’re older!)

Well, bye for now…I have to strain my bone broth. 🙂

Mrs. R

P.S. For those curious about raw vs. pasteurized milk, “The Milk Book” by Dr. William Campbell Douglass is the most thorough discussion of the subject I’ve found. There’s also some information online, e.g. at realmilk.org/ and rawmilk.org/ .
 
I think the posts illustrate a great need for all Catholics - live a balanced life. While it is important to eat healthily, it is equally important not to squander your resources.

Eh, but who am I to offer advice in this area? I eat hot dogs and smoke cigars… 😃
 
I am enjoying this thread so far. And I am actually really suprised that everyone has been so nice:bigyikes:, lol.

Normally any thread that contains a “controversial” issue attracts the negative people who just have to tell us why we are wrong to think the way we do.

I agree with the general consensus that balance is the key issue. Unless of course you are wealthy… then there is no excuse to not do all you can to keep your family healthy.

I think another issue is where we live. I’m up in Canada where fresh, local produce is only available for a very short time. For the rest of the year it is very expensive and not very good quality due to the long distance shipping.

So we are trying to eat as little refined sugars and processed foods as possible. Until I really started reading ingredient labels I had no idea that so many things contain so much junk!

I thought that just by eliminating pop and junk food that we were eating healthy…wrong!

It all comes down to choices. I love to spread a bit of cream cheese on a whole wheat cracker and add a smoked oyster… but then I read the ingredients of cream cheese. Yuck! So I found an alternative… creamy goat cheese. And now I actually prefer the taste.

Oh! Another suggestion I just have to share… almond butter instead of peanut butter. It is soooo yummy. Yes, it is quite a bit more expensive than peanut butter…but it is natural and much better for you and your kids. (Some people have likened regualr peanut butter to “peanut flavored shortening”…ewwwwww). And, unlike natural peanut butter, it actually tastes good enough for kids to like. But, I don’t actually have any kids…lol…so you all can let me know.

Another thing we do is drink more water. That is one of the only things that actually costs less to do, lol.

Well, that’s it for now. I am really enjoying this discussion and look forward to more great tips and cook book suggestions etc…

Finella
 
hi all,

many of my friends and myself are students, and instead of buying all things organic, we try treating ourselves to one or two things (e.g. a tomatoe here, some bread there).
My fiance and i (this may sound a little funny) have been talking about possibly making our own bread when we are married. we were thinking it’s probably healthier, without preservatives and all.

Do any of you know roughly what the price of making bread is in comparison to buying bread from the store? is it a lot more?

Thanks!
 
OK, I don’t have the numbers to back me up on the bread thing, but I feel that making my own whole grain bread (or buying it from the outlet) is cheaper than buying it at the store—however- any whole grain bread is going to cost you more than store brand white bread, yk? So, there is a big price difference there IME.
 
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Finella:
I agree with the general consensus that balance is the key issue. Unless of course you are wealthy… then there is no excuse to not do all you can to keep your family healthy.

I think another issue is where we live. I’m up in Canada where fresh, local produce is only available for a very short time. For the rest of the year it is very expensive and not very good quality due to the long distance shipping.

Finella
Have you considered canning the fresh summer veggies and fruits at home, it’s not at all hard to do, and no it’s not more expensive either.
If you check around you might find another family nearby who can teach you how. If not you can check with your local agriculurial dept. for information. When you can at home you are in charge of what goes into you food. It’s a little late for this year, but now’s the time to start planning for the next. The only other advice I have is to eat seasonaly, that saves a ton of money for us.
Linda H.
 
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Finella:
I agree with the general consensus that balance is the key issue. Unless of course you are wealthy… then there is no excuse to not do all you can to keep your family healthy.
So, it’s okay for the wealthy to be unbalanced? 😛

Just kidding; I know what you mean. 🙂 Still, I don’t think it’s quite accurate to say that wealthy people should do “all they can” to keep their families healthy. In too many cases, this can become an obsession. History is full of stories of people who’ve spent their entire fortunes on doctors, nutritional supplements, and alternative treatments…often, when they weren’t even seriously ill to begin with! Surely, this money could have been used for something better, such as helping the poor. We all need to use prudence.

On the other hand, I don’t think the term “squandering” could apply to buying produce from an organic farm. The farmers I’ve spoken to are doing the best they can to keep prices low, while still paying their employees fairly and feeding their own families. The food costs what it costs – sometimes cheaper than conventionally grown, sometimes more expensive. In any case, I’d rather give $5 to “Farmer Joe” than $2 to Monsanto. (I realize that others might not share my convictions on this subject, of course.)

Which reminds me of a broader issue. Advocates of “factory farming” often criticize organic farming on the grounds that it’s inefficient. They say that without fertilizers, GMOs, etc., crop yields would be inadequate for the world’s population, and many people would starve. On the other hand, I’ve heard that the best organic farming techniques have comparable long-term yields, and at a lower cost.

So, who’s right? Would it be possible to feed the world’s entire population – and perhaps several billion more – using organic farming methods?

I guess nobody has a certain answer to this question. But I think that those of us who advocate having large families, and eating organic food, need to be informed on this subject. Sooner or later, we might be questioned on it.
 
Another point of interest: In the last few years, many American organic food labels have been bought by large corporations. For instance, Cascadian Farms and Muir Glen are owned by General Mills, and Stonyfield Farm is partly owned by Danone.

oligopolywatch.com/2003/06/25.html

Horizon Dairy is owned by Dean, the largest “mainstream” dairy in the US.

organicconsumers.org/organic/dean_foods_horizon.cfm

Is this a good or bad development? I don’t know. Just thought you might want to know, if you weren’t aware of it.
 
Unless you can grow yo9ur own, organic is always going to be an expensive route, if for no other reason than that mass production cuts costs.

I try to eat and cook in a healthy fashion, and that starts with cooking. I don’t buy prepared foods, with the exception of the ingredients for whatever I am making (e.g. canned tomatoes); and I try to watch the salt content.

Good thread, though.
 
treehugger,

my husband and i eat homemade bread every day now, though up until recently i was somewhat inconsistent about it. i keep a frozen loaf of storebought bread in the freezer “just in case” we run out of fresh bread or it goes stale, etc. i make 2-4 loaves at a time and freeze all but whatever loaf we’re eating from. i make it all with natural flour and wholegrains, etc. it tastes very fresh and clean, plus i put eggs and milk in it and that just makes it more nutritionally valuable. honey is now the only sweetner i use. i also keep all my wholegrain flour in the fridge, because it contains natural oils that can make it ‘spoil’ or go rancid once it’s opened and not kept cool and fresh.

i also make “breakfeast breads” that my husband takes to work with him, like pumpkin bread or banana bread. i let it cool, slice it and freeze separately into portions for him. i actually boiled a fresh pumpkin, mashed it, etc, and it came out wonderfully.

you can also make your own peanut butter. it literally involves only boiling peanuts until they become a pastey substance that is to your liking, which you can add a little healthy oil or salt to flavor. if you want it sweetened, add honey.

the book i reccommended above also has recipies for homemade ketchup, bbq sauce, marinades, etc. homemade crackers, babyfood, just about everything. it all tastes great, is reasonable to make and is very cost effective. right now i am still learning–i am semi-addicted to coupons and it’s hard to give up the savings i get doing that, but i’m learning that the cost difference is little to none if i plan right and use coupons for the small ingredients.

i can’t wait until we buy a house and i can grow some of my own produce and spices!!!

my littlest sister is like, “abby, you’ve become a granola…” 😉

but, my husband (an athletic guy who was very worried he wouldn’t have “good food” or feel “full” if he let me eliminate some of his favorites) actually likes what we’re doing. its naturally more healthy. last night we had seasoned chicken and freshly sliced green peppers, sweet onions, cherry tomatoes and mushrooms all tossed into the skillet and browned. i scrubbed and sliced some potatoes, let them brown in the oven with a little salt and virgin olive oil. my husband ate homemade ketchup with them, and we both had a side salad of baby spinach leaves with homemade dressing. good stuff! my husband always teases,“back in college, i’d consider myself “nutri-fied” if i grabbed a bruised apple from the cafeteria lunch cart…” 😉
 
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TreeHugger:
hi all,

many of my friends and myself are students, and instead of buying all things organic, we try treating ourselves to one or two things (e.g. a tomatoe here, some bread there).
My fiance and i (this may sound a little funny) have been talking about possibly making our own bread when we are married. we were thinking it’s probably healthier, without preservatives and all.

Do any of you know roughly what the price of making bread is in comparison to buying bread from the store? is it a lot more?

Thanks!
Hey, it’s not funny at all to make your own bread!

We’ve been buying a lot of our bread in the summer as we don’t have air conditioning, and the kitchen gets hot enough that the bread over-rises in the bread machine, and turning on the oven is a no-no. For decent whole-grain bread at the supermarket, I’ve been paying $2.50-$3 per loaf. I can buy a 5-lb. bag of whole-wheat flour for about the same amount, and get a few loaves out of it. A jar of yeast is about $5 or $6, and lasts for a long time. Other ingredients are already in the fridge or pantry, so I don’t usually count those in the cost.

I figure it’s a lot cheaper to make our bread, and it tastes a lot better too (and it is definitely healthier). In fact, my husband has hinted that it’s cool enough to bake now, so I’ve gotten out my bread books and plan to have a baking day this Saturday.
 
The Rigbys:
Another point of interest: In the last few years, many American organic food labels have been bought by large corporations. For instance, Cascadian Farms and Muir Glen are owned by General Mills, and Stonyfield Farm is partly owned by Danone.

oligopolywatch.com/2003/06/25.html

Horizon Dairy is owned by Dean, the largest “mainstream” dairy in the US.

organicconsumers.org/organic/dean_foods_horizon.cfm

Is this a good or bad development? I don’t know. Just thought you might want to know, if you weren’t aware of it.
The thing is, in order to legally label their products as “organic”, the corporations still have to adhere to the strict USDA standards for organic foods. So if my choices are between a regular mass-market dairy product or an organic mass-market dairy product, I’ll choose the organic. If I could find a company that wasn’t owned by a large corporation, sure I’d buy their product instead (assuming I could afford it). But in my area we don’t have a Whole Foods market or a decent farm market, and I generally have to make do with the chain supermarkets. We do what we can.
 
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