Near Death Experiences.

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Where does the church stand on them? This was the latest one I’ve heard of.
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I don’t know what the Church thinks, but I’m not buying it. Not without a whole lot more evidence and transparency.

It is just vague enough that I can’t get a feel for myself whether these allegedly supernatural events and omniscience or whatever, are more than just wishful thinking applied to some vague remarks by the kid.

I’ve known so many delusional and psychotic people, (takes one to know one) that I’m not impressed either with a fantastic imagination, nor unlikely coincidences, or visions of grandeur. Been there, done that, the Lord healed me of it. :extrahappy:

The first question I’d like to ask, was how detailed was the knowledge the kid got while sitting in Jesus’ lap? Did he say, “Daddy, I saw you in front of a crucifix, praying,” or did he say, “Daddy, I knew you were in the chapel praying,” neither of which would impress me, or did he say, “Daddy, I saw you sitting in the waiting room across the hallway from where I was. Then I saw you get up and go to the chapel and pray. Three times you walked in and out of the chapel, before you settled down to say the prayer. Then you prayed for my health, and for your guidance and also while you were at it you prayed that we would find a way to pay for your sister to get braces.” If he said the third thing, then I would be impressed. :bowdown:

Alan
 
The Magisterium has never ruled on these occurrences, not surprising, as while they have occurred for millennia, there was not a “following” surrrounding them until the publication of LIFE AFTER LIFE in 1977. That, after all, is an eyeblink for the Church.

The problem with them is that, while NDEs MAY be a window into human eschatology, they might as easily be just the breath–deprived head throwing off its last sparks before darkness falls – there is just no proof either way.

God Bless and ICXC NIKA.
 
I have no problem believing that NDE’s can result in spiritual awakenings, or changes or growth in emotional state, or experience of great peace, etc.

Alan
 
Where does the church stand on them? This was the latest one I’ve heard of.
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Near Death Experiences are private revelations. As such, they have to be taken in line with the “deposit of faith” (such as the Bible). If they stray from what Catholicism teaches, then they are to be rejected (Galatians 1:8).

The Church has not made any position on Near Death Experiences, but it has made it quite clear that if a “spiritual experience” does not follow Church teaching, than that experience is **not ** from God.

Thank you,
Eugen von Böhm-Bawerk
 
Where does the church stand on them? This was the latest one I’ve heard of.
parentdish.com/2011/03/21/boy-says-he-has-been-to-heaven/?icid=main|hp-desktop|dl11|sec1_lnk3|206830
Well, to get away from church teaching, I’ll go into a personal testimony. Firstly I’ve often said my father appeared in my room the night he died, but it wasn’t an NDE, as he was firmly dead. He started with an apology, we argued and conversed, and finally disappeared with one almighty scream.

To make sense of the following story, you need to realise the person who came to actually tell me he’d died was my mother’s brother, my uncle. He turned up four days later as the body wasn’t found for four days. As it turned out, he also died later that year, as he had undiagnosed liver cancer at the time, as did my mother’s boyfriend (a triple whammy for her - her recently divorced husband, boyfriend and only brother all died in the same year).

Now there’s a certain frustration with this episode, as he said certain things that were rather foreboding, and I’d like to know the truth.

About four years ago I was arguing with atheists on a Google groups site, and as usual getting nowhere. So I prayed I’d meet someone who’d had an NDE. I may even have prayed that it would be linked to my own father’s death somehow, but don’t quote me on that, as I’m not sure if I did or not.

Two or three days after praying about it, I was sitting in a Maxi Taxi (10 seater with wheelchair access - I drove part time a couple of days a week), in a Brisbane suburb called Boondall. If I remember rightly I was actually in Roghan Road when the job appeared on the screen with “Brighton … M”. This meant a Maxi was required in the nearby beachside suburb of Brighton.

I procrastinated as it was a few kilometres, and I assumed someone else would get the job. But when it stayed there, I put in for it, and got it. So off I went. The address was a place called Eventide, which is a state government nursing complex, right on the waterfront.

When I got there, I finally found a single bloke, about my age, who hadn’t wanted a Maxi, and had just about been ready to give up when I arrived. He wasn’t in good health, and wanted to go to the Royal Brisbane Hospital for an appointment, which was a fair drive.

We got to talking, and we’d only been going a couple of minutes when he remarked, “I’m one of those rare people”. I asked him what he was talking about, and he said he’d been technically dead for ten minutes, ie. he’d had an NDE, so I’d been given the answer to my prayer (this time anyway). Apparenlty he “died” during major stomach surgery. I think it was removed, which meant he now had to eat regular very small amounts.

He said despite being clinically dead, he could hear everything that was being said eg. “He’s gone. Well, we’d better go and tell the registrar”. But then apparently his body shook, someone noticed, and he heard, “Hang on, he just shook! We’d better try again!”

So they did and he recovered. However he also remembers the bright light, and a sense of being told to go back. He also remarked, “You should have seen the looks on the doctors’ faces when they came to visit!”

But what got me was that he went to the same high school, and was in the same class (at least part of the time) as the eldest son of the same uncle who turned up to tell me he’d died. I thought this was stretching coincidence somewhat.

Let’s assume it was an answer to prayer, and I think it was. The odds of just picking up a person who’d had an NDE was low to begin with, let alone someone with a familial connection with my own father’s death and apparitoin, in a city of about 2 million people.

Now I had free will where I drove that day, the customers who booked the cab all had free will, he had free will as to when to book a cab, the radio operator had free will, other cabs had free will, yet somehow a glitch on the booking system reserved the job for me so that a “Maxi” was required. Had it been advertised as an ordinary cab job, I would never even have seen it.

How does God organise things like this despite our free wil? That’s why I don’t write off predestination. And I do believe that NDE’s occur, although I wouldn’t accept every story uncritically. I also believe that with modern medicaine, we’re seeing more of them as more people are brought back from the brink.
 
Anyone remember the book “Embrace the light”? It was so popular because it gave everyone warm and fuzzy feelings about the after life. Years later, I heard a devout catholic woman say she felt it was the work of the devil. It had never occurred to me but after she said it, I couldn’t agree more with her. I think satan has a lot to do with these NDE’s. He wants us to believe that heaven is so easily obtained that why should we try so hard while we are here? 🤷
 
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