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Hi this is guardian-girl88
I live in california, and the city i live in has three major wiccan covens. i have a few frinds who are involved in this cult, and would greatly appreciate any info any one has on how to reply to this problem. also i would like to know if ther’s anything i could say or show them that would shed a little light on their stupidity. i would aslo like reading material that could help me better defend myself against the wicthcraft in this area.

thank you and God bless
 
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guardian-girl88:
Hi this is guardian-girl88
I live in california, and the city i live in has three major wiccan covens. i have a few frinds who are involved in this cult, and would greatly appreciate any info any one has on how to reply to this problem. also i would like to know if ther’s anything i could say or show them that would shed a little light on their stupidity. i would aslo like reading material that could help me better defend myself against the wicthcraft in this area.

thank you and God bless
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Guardian girl:

I tend to agree with Jennifer on this one. I think that it is best to limit the contact with these friends, esp. when I consider the fact that participating in their “Lifestyle” or “Spirituality” immediately makes you succeptable to whatever influences they’re dealing with (including demonic).

Before you try to witness to them, I would make sure hat you own spiritual life is on solid footing, and that you thoroughly understand the Scriptures about Witchcraft and the Occult and how both seperate one from God. I think you also need to understand the power of the Resurrection and the ability of the Holy Spirit to change lives.

And do this because you know the time; it is the hour now for you to awake from sleep. For our salvation is nearer now than when we first believed; the night is advanced, the day is at hand. Let us then throw off the works of darkness (and) put on the armor of light; let us conduct ourselves properly as in the day, 4 not in orgies and drunkenness, not in promiscuity and licentiousness, not in rivalry and jealousy. But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the desires of the flesh.
Romans 13:11-14 NAB

*Finally, draw your strength from the Lord and from his mighty power. Put on the armor of God so that you may be able to stand firm against the tactics of the devil. For our struggle is not with flesh and blood but with the principalities, with the powers, with the world rulers of this present darkness, with the evil spirits in the heavens.

Therefore, put on the armor of God, that you may be able to resist on the evil day and, having done everything, to hold your ground. So stand fast with your loins girded in truth, clothed with righteousness as a breastplate, and your feet shod in readiness for the gospel of peace. In all circumstances, hold faith as a shield, to quench all (the) flaming arrows of the evil one. And take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God. With all prayer and supplication, pray at every opportunity in the Spirit.*
Ephesians 6:10-18a NAB

I have told you this so that you might have peace in me… I have conquered the world."
John 16:33

You belong to God, children, and you have conquered them, for the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world.
I John 4:4 NAB

I hope this helps.

Blessed are they who act to save the Innocent, Michael
 
I’m not sure how much this will help, but I did a quick search and found this on CA:

catholic.com/thisrock/2003/0305bt.asp

It’s not specifically Wiccan, but it should give you a stepping stone. If you do a search I’m sure you can come up with a lot more.

Do be careful though. If you aren’t sure of your faith, I wouldn’t attempt it.
 
Guardian Girl,

Please know that you are in my prayers. God Bless you as you proceed.

CARose
 
Johnette Benkovic (www.lhla.org) was involved in the new age movement. Check our her books.

She is also connected to EWTN
 
Gardian, why does the behavior of your friends effect you so much? Why try to make them renounce their religion, when you would be offended if they did the same. Some people think catholicism is a foolish religion, and that you need light shed into your life. My point is you don’t have to make everyone feel the same way you do to be friends with them. Remeber that Jesus even helped the pagan Phillistine, so there is no sure way to say what is the one true way.

As far as protection, I hope you do not mean from their magical powers. Their “magic” is nothing more than a con. If you actually gained any real power every atheist would convert to wicca tonight! Just more superstitious non-sense.
 
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Wormwood:
Gardian, why does the behavior of your friends effect you so much?
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+JMJ

Because people are naturally concerned when they see people about to topple over a cliff.
Why try to make them renounce their religion, when you would be offended if they did the same.
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Because she is obligated to defend and share the faith.
Some people think catholicism is a foolish religion, and that you need light shed into your life.
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So? It doesn’t follow that because there are a multiplicity of faiths out there that none of them are true. Again there is the obligation to defend the faith that is not disposed of by an appeal to self-contradicting relativism.
My point is you don’t have to make everyone feel the same way you do to be friends with them.
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It is not an issue of feelings, but of right and wrong. It is wrong to expose oneself to faith-destroying pernicious influences. It is right to warn friends about those influences.
Remeber that Jesus even helped the pagan Phillistine, so there is no sure way to say what is the one true way.
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She is looking for information to strengthen her faith before attempting to help. She is determining the most prudent way to proceeed. Nothing wrong with this.
As far as protection, I hope you do not mean from their magical powers. Their “magic” is nothing more than a con. If you actually gained any real power every atheist would convert to wicca tonight! Just more superstitious non-sense.
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Whether their magic is a con or not is irrelevent. It is clearly an appeal to occult powers in order to seize illegitimate control of phenomena or even people. It is rank idolotry that may expose her friends and perhaps even herself and family to evil influences.

Let us all pray to Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ for guardian-girl88 and her friends.

Scott
 
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Wormwood:
Gardian, why does the behavior of your friends effect you so much? Why try to make them renounce their religion, when you would be offended if they did the same. Some people think catholicism is a foolish religion, and that you need light shed into your life. My point is you don’t have to make everyone feel the same way you do to be friends with them. Remeber that Jesus even helped the pagan Phillistine, so there is no sure way to say what is the one true way.

As far as protection, I hope you do not mean from their magical powers. Their “magic” is nothing more than a con. If you actually gained any real power every atheist would convert to wicca tonight! Just more superstitious non-sense.
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Many here believe Catholicism is the one true way. Other than that I tend to agree with you, even if with a bit of reserve?

What I want to know is why people are so scared of being around those who aren’t Catholic? I had a wiccan once for a supervisor, and it was near the end of my contract that I even found out. Guess what? She was a knowledgeable, fair , honest afa I could tell, supervisor who ran about the best balance I’ve seen any boss do at supporting her own people, keeping things running smoothly, and supporting the customer.

Yes, she was a wiccan, and when I found out about it we did “share” faith a little, she told me a little about her religion, I told her some about Catholicism.

No need to be afraid if we’re in Christ. No amount of darkness in the world can extinguish our light. Maybe we could all move to an island where only Catholics were allowed, then we wouldn’t have this fear, but I’m not sure that’s practicable.

Remember Christ conquered the world, and through Him we are more than conquerors through it all. What better way to emphasize that Catholicism is a “silly” religion, than to tell non-Catholics “sorry I can’t play with you because your religion is wrong?”

If they try to get you to join them, you don’t. No problem, no sweat. If they insist, call the police. If they don’t, let them know that the love you have as a Christian is unconditional, patient, and not askeered of a little silly hocus-pocus.

This probably isn’t all Biblical, but I bet a lot of Catholics (at least around Wichita) would be surprised if they knew how many of their coworkers were Wiccans. If we refuse to hang around people of other beliefs, how are we ever going to evangelize? Maybe that would be a useful challenge instead of staying in the Church with nothing but Catholics and bashing each other to no avail.

Alan
 
Scott Waddell:
So? It doesn’t follow that because there are a multiplicity of faiths out there that none of them are true. Again there is the obligation to defend the faith that is not disposed of by an appeal to self-contradicting relativism.
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If you’re going to appeal to logic, considering a multiplicity of faiths, the fact that one religion makes the claim to be true in a more staunch way than others and even has the most members also doesn’t lead to its being true. This equates to Truth by Might.

Its being the original Church is a fact of history, as far as I know, barring any history revisionists who played this whole thing off as a hoax. Its being the one true Church is a matter of faith, which cannot be proven logically.

Besides, there can be higher truths than dogma, whereby these people of other faiths commit acts of kindness and love, which I think is what Jesus would most like to have, IMO because none of the dogmatic truth is stronger than love, which conquers all.
It is not an issue of feelings, but of right and wrong. It is wrong to expose oneself to faith-destroying pernicious influences. It is right to warn friends about those influences.
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Right to warn them, perhaps, but shunning them I believe is an act of weak faith, so if you are not confident about your Catholicism and are afraid Christ will not get you through the moment, then I agree maybe you don’t want to hang around people with different beliefs.

I’m making the assumption here that the nature of their friendship is not that they share pagan rituals, but engage in activities that do not involve coincidence of religious beliefs.
Whether their magic is a con or not is irrelevent. It is clearly an appeal to occult powers in order to seize illegitimate control of phenomena or even people. It is rank idolotry that may expose her friends and perhaps even herself and family to evil influences.
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Again, there is no reason to fear these people if we take the Bible at His Word:
1 Joihn 4:4:
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4** You belong to God, children, and you have conquered them, ****for the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world.** 12 No one has ever seen God. Yet, if we love one another, God remains in us, and his love is brought to perfection in us. 13 [4](http://usccb.org/nab/bible/1john/1john4.htm#foot4) This is how we know that we remain in him and he in us, that he has given us of his Spirit. 14 Moreover, we have seen and testify that the Father sent his Son as savior of the world. 15 Whoever acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God, God remains in him and he in God. 16 We have come to know and to believe in the love God has for us. God is love, and whoever remains in love remains in God and God in him. 17 In this is love brought to perfection among us, that we have confidence on the day of judgment because as he is, so are we in this world.**  18 **** There is no fear in love, but perfect love drives out fear because fear has to do with punishment, and so one who fears is not yet perfect in love.**
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There you have it. If you fear these people then you need to work on becoming more perfect in love. Nothing to fear, because He who is in us is greater than he who is in the world.

That is, if you really believe in Christ and His Word.

I’m not saying one should hang around them in the vain hopes of converting them, just that we need to shed all this troublesome fear. If we truly contain the light within us, then the darkness of the world cannot harm or trick us. There are only a few places I know of on this planet where everybody has the same beliefs, so unless we want to go join a group who kills those who don’t think like them, it behooves us to learn how to behave in a pluralistic society.

Key word: pluralistic. No I’m not saying you should deny your own beliefs. Sheesh, in advance.

Alan
 
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AlanFromWichita:
If you’re going to appeal to logic, considering a multiplicity of faiths, the fact that one religion makes the claim to be true in a more staunch way than others and even has the most members also doesn’t lead to its being true. This equates to Truth by Might.

Its being the original Church is a fact of history, as far as I know, barring any history revisionists who played this whole thing off as a hoax. Its being the one true Church is a matter of faith, which cannot be proven logically.

Besides, there can be higher truths than dogma, whereby these people of other faiths commit acts of kindness and love, which I think is what Jesus would most like to have, IMO because none of the dogmatic truth is stronger than love, which conquers all.

Right to warn them, perhaps, but shunning them I believe is an act of weak faith, so if you are not confident about your Catholicism and are afraid Christ will not get you through the moment, then I agree maybe you don’t want to hang around people with different beliefs.

I’m making the assumption here that the nature of their friendship is not that they share pagan rituals, but engage in activities that do not involve coincidence of religious beliefs.

Again, there is no reason to fear these people if we take the Bible at His Word:

There you have it. If you fear these people then you need to work on becoming more perfect in love. Nothing to fear, because He who is in us is greater than he who is in the world.

That is, if you really believe in Christ and His Word.

I’m not saying one should hang around them in the vain hopes of converting them, just that we need to shed all this troublesome fear. If we truly contain the light within us, then the darkness of the world cannot harm or trick us. There are only a few places I know of on this planet where everybody has the same beliefs, so unless we want to go join a group who kills those who don’t think like them, it behooves us to learn how to behave in a pluralistic society.

Key word: pluralistic. No I’m not saying you should deny your own beliefs. Sheesh, in advance.

Alan
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There are many good points here, but it seems like you think my response implied an appeal to fear. Not at all. It is an appeal to caution and prudence and the acknowledgement that there really is a devil that prowls about like a lion looking for souls to devour. The priority in my mind runs roughly, 1. Protect your faith. 2. Improve your faith. 3. Share your faith, in that order.

Scott
 
Scott Waddell:
There are many good points here, but it seems like you think my response implied an appeal to fear. Not at all. It is an appeal to caution and prudence and the acknowledgement that there really is a devil that prowls about like a lion looking for souls to devour. The priority in my mind runs roughly, 1. Protect your faith. 2. Improve your faith. 3. Share your faith, in that order.

Scott
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Absolutely. One only has to hear one or two stories from people who have had experience with the occult and new age to see that it is indeed a danger to us spiritually. It’s not that I personally fear non-Catholics, I have many friends who run the gamut of life situations. It’s that the devil is real and while we are not to fear anything as long as we are in Christ, bad things haapen to good and bad alike. We certainly don’t want to tempt the evil one to make evil rain upon us just for the sake of not hurting anyone’s feelings.
 
I used to be a wiccan. I would say a couple of questions your friends should ask themselves are:
  • Is it really possible to “harm none”? Do I live up to my ideals? If not, why?
    (the doctrine of original sin is one big difference between the new age/neopagan and Christian worldveiws)
  • How do I know the “gods” and “goddesses” I worship can be trusted? Why would they care about my interests? How do I know they are who I think they are?
  • Why am I involved in wicca? Am I seeking power? Popularity? The meaning of life? Have I found it?
  • If they are willing to invoke pagan “gods”, they shouldn’t be afraid to invoke Jesus. Try to get them to say a prayer asking Him to reveal to them who He really is. I did this, and had a dream/spiritual experience where I met Him, and I was instantly won over.
Pray for them. Don’t cut off contact with them - even if they laugh at your religion, just having contact with you will give an opportuntity for God’s grace to work in their souls. Don’t lecture them, but ask the Holy Spirit to guide you in answering any questions they have well, and knowing when to speak and when to be silent.
God bless
 
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BlindSheep:
Pray for them. Don’t cut off contact with them - even if they laugh at your religion, just having contact with you will give an opportuntity for God’s grace to work in their souls. Don’t lecture them, but ask the Holy Spirit to guide you in answering any questions they have well, and knowing when to speak and when to be silent.
God bless
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Amen!
 
Scott, Jennifer, BlindSheep, and Aureole,

I like what you all are saying. I think I’ll try something new – sitting back and listening a while. I’m learning from you, and I thank you for it.

Alan
 
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AlanFromWichita:
Scott, Jennifer, BlindSheep, and Aureole,

I like what you all are saying. I think I’ll try something new – sitting back and listening a while. I’m learning from you, and I thank you for it.

Alan
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I wouldn’t say I’m teaching much, essentially just agreeing with those who I agree with.
 
Has anyone read Fr. Amorth? I would advise it before deciding that the devil doesn’t know us better than we know ourselves sometimes.
While I agree that Wicca isn’t necessarily the same as Satanism it is a portal into the New Age. If it’s not of God, leave it alone.

catholicculture.org/docs/doc_view.cfm?recnum=6337
“Clare Merkle, a former New Age healer and yoga practitioner, has been appearing on EWTN network (Mother Angelica’s network) on the program, “Living His Life Abundantly” Now converted, it took her five years to be freed from the effects on her involvement in New Age. She gives this warning: “When we open ourselves up to foreign religious practices that have ties to the occult, we open ourselves up to the demonic.” (Hinduism and Buddhism have ties to the occult because they tap into spiritual power that is not from the Holy Spirit.)”
 
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