Need help. Need an Apologestic to help me out here settle a dispute

[will39micah]

Silence, refusal to vote is FAR from consent. You need to check your info again,…this time use a DIFFERENT souce.

 

[will39micah]

Wow. You guys really do need help. I guess that’s why Georgia is so brain-washed and couldn’t even answer the questions I posted and you guys still can’t answer them with any certainty. Where’s the evidence that Joseph was previously married anyways? Let me guess, the apocrytha, which was inspired (according to you), but by WHOM??? Take your time on this question, you’re gonna need it.

 

[empther]

Giggling4God,
The following “info” from this guy is not true:

13.Apocrytha was not consider part of the canon until AD 1546 at the Council of Trent. Even when the apocrytha was added, the vote was split within the body of the council.
While the apocrytha is still part of the Roman Catholic bible and regularly printed in it, many Catholics today do not accept them with much authority.

This is all hogwash
First of all, I’ve been a Catholic for 63 years and I’ve never heard a single Catholic say he doesn’t accept the apocrytha, which is a word no Catholic has ever heard of. What is? Never mind. It doesn’t matter.

But forget about that minor matter.

The canon of the current Catholic Bible, consisting of 45 books in the Old Testament and 27 books in the New Testament for a total of 72, was established once and for all by Pope Saint Damasus 1 by 495 A.D. after St. Augustine and St. Jerome had been working on the project of deciding which books among hundreds were divinely inspired and deserved to be in the Bible for years. The date 495 is the date of a copy of the list that still exists.

Actually, most of this final Canon had been generally accepted by the Church for hundreds of years, so Augustine and Jerome weren’t doing original work. The were basically confirming the list for the last time.

Anyways, this 495 A.D. “canon” or list of books has been the Catholic Bible ever since.

The oldest complete copy of the Bible is in a museum in Minsk, Russia. It dates from around 900 A.D.

There were no Protestants until about 1500.

The Catholic Church put the Bible together and knows everything about it. The Protestants are full of errors. I don’t care what Protestants think. If they knew what they were talking about they would be Catholics.

Ignore this guy. Don’t waste your time debating him. There’s a common saying: “People don’t let facts get in the way of their beliefs.”

 

[will39micah]

And THIS reply is the reason why so many feel sorry for Catholics. Enough said. I feel sorry for you guys and the longer you stay in the vatican junk, the more warped you are, evidenced by the fact you’ve been in for 63 years. What about the vatican covering up sex scandals and responding in silence to those in powerful/prestigious positions in the vatican??? I don’t remember Jesus or his disciples endorsing anything like that. Your response back is weak at best and that’s only part of the problem. The other part is that even while it’s weak at best, so many believe it because you’ll believe anything that takes away from the blood of Christ’s required crucifixion to atone for sins. That very weak punch line at the end got me a good chuckle as far as protestants would still be catholics if…kind of like Jeff Foxworthy’s “You might be a redneck…”, lol.

I wasn’t expecting any kind of valid argument back from you and I didn’t get one, so no harm done.

 

[empther]

I said the canon of Biblical books was established in 495. I should have written 395. (It was after midnight when I wrote that.)

Somebody else said it was 382. There isn’t that much conflict between us. See this article in the Catholic Encyclopedia:

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03274a.htm

St. Jerome

, a rising light in the Church, though but a simple priest, was summoned by Pope Damasus from the East, where he was pursuing sacred lore, to assist at an eclectic, but not ecumenical, synod at Rome in the year 382. Neither the general council at Constantinople of the preceding year nor that of Nice (365) had considered the question of the Canon. This Roman synod must have devoted itself specially to the matter. The result of its deliberations, presided over, no doubt, by the energetic Damasus himself, has been preserved in the document called “Decretum Gelasii de recipiendis et non recipiendis libris”, a compilation partly of the sixth century, but containing much material dating from the two preceding ones. The Damasan catalogue presents the complete and perfect Canon which has been that of the Church Universal ever since.

So the canon was “established” around 382 ? Read on…

It was some little time before the African Church perfectly adjusted its New Testament to the Damasan Canon. Optatus of Mileve (370-85) does not used Hebrews. St. Augustine, while himself receiving the integral Canon, acknowledged that many contested this Epistle. But in the Synod of Hippo (393) the great Doctor’s view prevailed, and the correct Canon was adopted.