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Hi all. Some of you already know that I’m pregnant with baby #4. I’ve been battling depression for the last few weeks and without getting into all the details again, seriously considered adopting out the baby because we really can’t afford another child. Well, my doc said that it’s just the depression talking and that I would come out of it, don’t make any decisions while in the state of mind I’ve been in. I’ve had a few days with more up time than down time so that’s a good thing. I go see the therapist on thursday to discuss what’s going on and I see my doc again on monday.

With that out of the way…now that I know that adoption is NOT an option for me or my family anymore, the question has arose for when the baby comes and is baptized.

My mother-in-law ,who is very anti-catholic wants to be the Godmother. She said my family were the only ones asked to be Godparents to our other 3 children so she said it’s only fair that she is Godmother this time.

She has mocked our faith, put my husband down for converting from his fundamentalist evangelical background, even pokes fun at my oldest daughter says things like “What are you trying to be the pope or the Blessed Mother?” She hates the fact her son converted and begged my SIL who came to Mass with us one saturday not to become Catholic because she didn’t want to lose another child.

When we entered the RCC last year, Godparents were an issue for the kids baptisms, there aren’t many Catholics in my family and NONE in hubby’s. Because of his family’s animosity towards us for converting, we didn’t ask one of them to be Godparent. They were invited to the Mass, but only his mom showed up with our niece and nephew she was babysitting because SIL had to work. My MIL sat in the pew and showed absolutely no respect for our way of worship. She rattled her keys and cleared her throat (she does that when she’s upset or nervous) all the time she was there. She left immediately after the kids were baptized because she said she couldn’t stay to see her son make this mistake when he was confirmed.

I was the one last year who had to deal with her over not being asked for the other 3. Because my uncle was the only Catholic male, I asked him to be Godfather while my sister (who was Lutheran at the time) was Godmother to my oldest. My mother and aunt are both practicing Catholics and my dad and brother (both protestant) were the Godparents of the younger 2 kids.

My MIL said that we should’ve asked her, she said it didn’t matter that there would’ve been 2 Godmothers for one kid. I told her that it mattered to me, I didn’t want it that way, even if it were acceptable (I don’t know if it is or not), regardless, I wanted my kids to have GodPARENTS not 2 Godmothers for one child.

I believe that she is only out for her own satisfaction, to have the title of Godmother. She’s hardly over (she lives 5 minutes away)and when she is she doesn’t interact with our kids, she stays about a half hour then leaves because she’s got things to do. She doesn’t ever call to talk to the kids, she doesn’t invite them to her house, nothing. She gets upset when they don’t give her hugs or kisses and it makes comments about that. My parents call or come over a few times a week and ignore me and hubby to see the kids. They’ve established strong bonds with my kids and do so much with them. They take them places, have sleepovers, play with them, etc. They are great grandparents. To top it off, BOTH my mom and dad attend Mass with us each week (even though dad won’t convert). Dad even asked to go to church with me when mom was sick. So you get what you invest into a relationship.

Can anyone tell me what is appropriate in this situation? My belief is that a Godparent should respect the parents beliefs and if anything happens to us, the Godparent is responsible for raising the child in the faith the parents wished their children to be raised in. I know my sister, brother and father respect our decision to become Catholic and will not hinder my children from going to Mass. I could trust them to at least encourage my children to learn about their Catholic faith instead of whisking them off to have them “deprogrammed” from the Catholic faith.

I can’t say that with my MIL. She told me before that she didn’t think we were teaching our kids enough about the bible, because we were Catholic, we weren’t true Christians, and she felt responsible to make sure they were “saved”:ehh: .

She’s backed off somewhat this past year, except for rude little comments here and there (like to my daughter) and she’ll complain about less than perfect Catholics she works with making sure it’s known they are Catholic and not being Christian-like.

I really want my best friend, who is a fallen away Catholic but asks genuine questions about the faith, to be this baby’s Godmother. My cousin who is home from Iraq will be the Godfather.

How can I deal with this? Hubby doesn’t want a war to start if we don’t ask his mom, he said I can tell her if I don’t want her to be Godmother. He’s not supportive of me in much of anything (that’s one reason I’m depressed and in therapy) and he doesn’t think it’s a big deal.

Any suggestions?
 
You do have to make plans, but thinking too far ahead and worrying about the future isn’t going to help your depression. Can this one go on the back burner for a while?

In general, though, your child’s Godparents need to be people who can and will bring the child up in the Catholic faith if you become incapacitated. I don’t think your mother-in-law could promise to do that, could she?
 
The RCC requires the Godparent to be a practicing Catholic, each child only HAS to have one Godparent - and may have no more than 2. Some families will have one Godparent (the Catholic) and one Christian Witness (non-Catholic).

Search the forums for Godparent and you will find all of the “official” Canon Laws, etc.
 
If I were facing a dilemma of this nature, I would find a kind, and Faithfull couple in my parish to serve as Godparents. Choose neither family.

Remember, you want to pick the BEST person/people you can to take up the reigns if something happens to you or your husband. Why would you choose someone LESS Faithfull than either of you to this position when there are wonderfull, devout, and loving parishoners who would love to serve in that capacity?

As you know, Godparents need not be relatives- and it would be beneficial to both your child and to you to have a religious support system LOCALLY to help raise that child in the Faith.

Just think, as this child has First Communion, school plays, t-ball games, graduations… this couple would probably be at almost every function supporting you and the child!

JMHO.

This is a tough situation. I’ve been there. You will regret trying to appease everyone. You are obligated to the Church, and to the child in this situation- no one else.

I pray you find clarity in this matter.
 
Here’s an off the wall idea, perhaps you could suggest to you MIL that since you take the role of God Mother extremely seriously, you’l like her to consider attending the parish RCIA program so she can know what the Catholic Church teaches. If, at the end of the program, she has learned enough about Catholicism to accept that this is how you are raising your children, then perhaps it would be appropriate for her to be responsible for ensuring one of your children remain true to the faith you have accepted.

You may also want to encourage the same of your best friend, as a back-up for your MIL. Who know’s perhaps the Holy Spirit is waiting for the opportunity to act.

I know that many times it is the greatest detractors who become the most on-fire for the Catholic faith, once they learn what we really believe and why.

Just a thought.

In the meantime, you can sit back and allow the Holy Spirit to do His thing, while you go about the serious business of taking care of yourself through your pregnancy.

How wonderful that you are blessed with another child! If you are concerned enough about your depression to address it with doctors, I’ll bet you’re also an excellent mom to your kids.

Good luck with everything,

CARose
 
I agree with a previous poster that says to put this on the back burner. Pray about it and get in a good place yourself emotionally. I know Godparents are supposed to be practicing Catholics We asked nominal Catholics for a few spots to pass around the honor. What a mistake. I really didn’t realize how bad that was. Too many CINO’s in my family.

I think that you could talk to your priest and maybe feel better about this. I want you to just think about yourself and the baby. Isn’t it terrible to have inlaw situations at this point? Perhaps if someone else talked to her, like your husband, she would understand more. Maybe she won’t even come to the baptism.

What seems odd to me is that she HAS the honor of Grandma, so she could just enjoy that. Oh well, I will pray for you.
 
Well, atleast one GodParent must be a Catholic in good standing. I am from a very Catholic family and my husband is from a family that was raised Lutheran but most have went Presbyterian. We made the Godparents one from each side, one of my sisters and one of his brothers. The brothers respect our Catholicism, and would not interfear with our children’s faith. I do not think this would be the case for your MIL. (Unless she is moved by the Holy Spirit 👍 ). I do like the previous poster’s suggestion of RCIA, it sort of makes her choose to comply or be taken out of the running. She might be huffy about it, but you can stress the requirments of your faith.

I also highly recommend Keatings book, Catholicism vs. Fundamentalism. It is very insightful to clear up some confusion on things as simple as to how each defines prayer. (I pray to Mary does not mean I worship Mary). While she will not read it, it will help you should you get into a debate when she makes those under the breath comments that drive you wild. (my MIL does it too, but it is not usually on religion).

Do not stress so much about it, let God have it! He will make it all work out. Just be open to which way he guides you. Remember he has a plan, we just do not always understand or see the big picture. This could be his way to reach out to enlighten your MIL, pray on it and ask for clarity.
 
As others have said, one Godparent must be Catholic, the other may be Christian and not Catholic. I don’t believe you can have two Godparents of the same sex. I think that was a question in the ask the apologist forum.

I have to disagree about putting it on the back burner. I do think you should pray about it, but if you are able to come to some sort of decision, you will probably feel better. I am due to have my first in January, and the Godparent issue is working on me as well, and I am not able to put it off. I have a slightly similar situation, in where my husband is a convert, but his family are all non-practicing Christians so I wouldn’t want them as Godparents. Many of my family are non-practising Catholics, and again, I don’t want that. I am probably going to ask my mom. Our only other choice is to ask friends of ours from church, but we’re not really that close.

Anyway, I’m sorry I got off topic. You clearly can’t ask your MIL to be a Godmother. She is not fit to teach your children the faith, which is what Godparents were designed to do. She sounds rather unreasonable, but I would just say that since she doesn’t respect or understand your faith, you would rather choose someone who was Catholic, and if not Catholic, at least not ANTI-Catholic! I liked the eariler suggestion that she attend RCIA to get a better understanding if she wishes to be a Godmother. BTW, there isn’t anything wrong with having the same person be a Godparent to more than one child.

Best wishes on the new baby. Do a lot of praying and you’ll feel better! I hope it all works out. Since you don’t have to see you MIL too often, at least the backlash can’t be too bad!
 
lucky for you, MIL does not meet the requirements to be Godmother for a Catholic baptism. Sponsors and godparents must be fully initiated Catholics, not under canonical penalty, be willing to undertake the responsibility, living in accord with Catholic teaching, and not be the child’s parents. If she is of another Christian denomination she may stand up as a Christian witness, alongside one Catholic godparent. If you think this will get her off your back, you may want to suggest it.

However, I would, along with your husband, with kids out of the room, choose a good time to speak frankly to her, tell her that you will not tolerate her belittling you, or your faith, and will not allow her to demean your children’s practice of their faith. And if she continues to do so she will not be welcome in your home. You and hub have to present a united front on this.
 
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MooCowSteph:
You clearly can’t ask your MIL to be a Godmother. She is not fit to teach your children the faith, which is what Godparents were designed to do. She sounds rather unreasonable, but I would just say that since she doesn’t respect or understand your faith, you would rather choose someone who was Catholic, and if not Catholic, at least not ANTI-Catholic! I liked the eariler suggestion that she attend RCIA to get a better understanding if she wishes to be a Godmother. BTW, there isn’t anything wrong with having the same person be a Godparent to more than one child.

Best wishes on the new baby. Do a lot of praying and you’ll feel better! I hope it all works out. Since you don’t have to see you MIL too often, at least the backlash can’t be too bad!
I agree with this. You don’t want someone hostile to the very faith you are baptising your kids into, to be the godmother! Also, how would she act at the baptism if she is hostile to the Catholic faith and is making annoying noises during a Mass?
 
Thank you everyone for all your suggestions. I never would’ve thought to ask either my MIL or friend to attend RCIA classes in order to be a Godparent. I am almost 100% positive my MIL will refuse because she thinks the whole process with RCC teaching is unnecessary (she couldn’t get it why we went to classes for our conversion). If she did go it would be to see just how knowledgeable the teacher would be in the bible and to probably challenge him/her. She’s convinced that many Catholics are biblically illiterate and are ignorant of what “real salvation” is. Even when I’ve had a strong case using the bible to prove Catholic doctrine, she’ll poo-poo what I say telling me that it’s a wrong interpretation or it’s irrelevant to what we’re discussing. We don’t discuss the RCC and Faith much anymore. The last time was when my daughter made her communion May 1st. MIL thought she should be able to receive communion, I told her no she couldn’t. She got upset when I tried to explain why, she said it’s confusing, she doesn’t know how our kids are going to understand the teaching. :banghead:

She also told me before that when her oldest sister was married in the RCC (over 50 years ago) she had to go to classes in order to be a bridesmaid. She complained how boring they were and that she didn’t understand anything they were teaching. So that gives me an indication that if she’s still holding onto something that happened when she was 7 or 8 years old, she’s not going to openly cooperate, and if she did it wouldn’t be for the right reasons.

No matter how clear things are explained to MIL about why we do what we do in the RCC, it doesn’t make sense to her and seems stupid she says. When I compare being obedient to her faith and her pastor, she thinks it’s totally different than what goes on in the RCC.

I have Keating’s Catholicism and Fundamentalism, I bought it a couple of years ago. That helped me get a greater understanding of the Catholic faith and was instrumental in our conversion. I’ve gleaned much information from it and shared some with the in-laws. SIL was more receptive, MIL and BIL think it’s cult no matter how you cut it.

:rolleyes:

My problem is I know my husband won’t support me on this. He’s said to me on a couple of occasions now, that I can be the one to tell her if I don’t want her to be Godmother. Hubby doesn’t want to deal with his family but at the same time doesn’t want anymore strife so he’s willing to compromise and give them their way just to keep them off his back. He’s not really there for me when they are all over mine though and believe me, they get all over me when they can’t get on him.

This obviously is more important an issue to me than to him. I’ll be discussing this with our priest as the time grows nearer. I pray about it too, I can’t do much else right now.

I know I shouldn’t stress over it too much, I’m trying not to. I have at least 3 months before the baby comes.

Hubby always says to me, “Just think of what it was like for me growing up with that.” I understand his staying away, but that’s still his family. I’m the one who keeps communication open with them. I’ve done that for the last 15 years.

Anyway, thank you again, all of you for offering advice to me. I need neutral opinions and unbiased views to help me sort out these things. Looking at situations from a fresh perspective has helped me get through some tough stuff since I’ve been frequenting the forum a little more these past few weeks.

God bless!
 
Hey Kelly:

Let me be the first to CONGRATULATE you on your decision to keep the child you are expecting in your family. 😃 :dancing: You have certainly been in my prayers over the last couple weeks and I have a strong feeling that the pain and struggle you are going through now will yield fruit and this child will be a very special blessing to you.

As for your cantankerous MIL–it sounds as if you need to develop a good sense of humor with respect to this woman. I certainly mean no disrespect, but her behaviour is so out of line, immature and selfish it’s *almost *humorous. I would stop trying to push the boulder uphill, if you will, and invite her into the process with overflowing enthusiasm. Make sure you have a practicing Catholic on board as well, but absolutely encourage her involvement, welcome her questions and invite her to become educated in the faith. If she obstinately refuses…well…it’s her own doing and not you excluding her. If she takes to the faith, her new grandchild and even you–what more could you ask for?!

I know this can take a lot of energy at a time when you’re feeling understandable drained. But including her will take much less energy than fighting her. Have a little fun with this. She’s a rather pathetic figure and you are very blessed to have your parents and their involvement. Maybe you can turn her sour disposition into lemonade!!

:blessyou:
 
Well for me i have the same issue, minus the kids. my mother in law (while i absolutely adore her) is very against us being Catholic. she was Catholic, raised that way and raised her sons to be Catholics until they were around 4. then she left the church and took them with her. When my husband decided to convert and finish his rites while we were still dating she didnt like it all. while she supported it, she just didnt like it. in fact a few weeks ago, we were talking about raising kids in the Faith, and she said, “or you could just wait and their wives can choose it for them”. to be honest my feelings were a little hurt. i didnt choose it for my husband. after i was baptized and finished the RCIA program, he decided it was right for him as well. We will raise our kids Catholic, and they WILL have Catholic respectful Godparents. i have considered my Aunt, (she never had children or married, and joined seminary once so shes very spiritual and open minded) to be Godmother and my Brother (raised in the Catholic faith, knows the traditions, but has never officially become a Catholic.) to be Godfather of our first child. from there i have NO clue. but it will be someone i trust to bring my kids up in the faith God forbid something happened to me and Erich, or at least so that they can be a positive force in their lives, to encourage them to stick to their Faith and grown in it.

God Bless,
Tara
 
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