Never a mortal sin?

[Vico]

So, Vico – how does what you’ve posted really add to this discourse?

Seriously – are you suggesting that lots of people are presumptuous?

Let’s be clear: The Church does not, and has never, spoken about whether or not anyone in particular is in heaven or isn’t (outside of Mary, and presumably Dismas, given Christ’s statement to him on the cross. It certainly has not opined as to the state of anyone’s soul while still alive. And if the Church doesn’t do that, with all due respect, who is anyone else to?

It adds. You asked what full consent was.
Jesus did identify some that would be in hell.
Yes, there are some that have committed the sin of presumption.
We do not know if individuals will be condemned, even when they admit that they sinned mortally, because we do not know if there will be final repentance or not. However we know it is possible to be condemned.

CCC has this:
1861 Mortal sin is a radical possibility of human freedom, as is love itself. It results in the loss of charity and the privation of sanctifying grace, that is, of the state of grace. If it is not redeemed by repentance and God’s forgiveness, it causes exclusion from Christ’s kingdom and the eternal death of hell, for our freedom has the power to make choices for ever, with no turning back. However, although we can judge that an act is in itself a grave offense, we must entrust judgment of persons to the justice and mercy of God.

 

[Elizium23]

The Fundamental Option

In 1975 the Holy See issued a formal declaration, Persona Humana, in which certain theories involving the fundamental option were condemned. “There are those,” the document stated, “who go so far as to affirm that mortal sin, which causes separation from God, only exists in the formal refusal directly opposed to God’s call, or in that selfishness which completely and deliberately closes itself to the love of neighbor. They say that it is only then, that there comes into play the ‘fundamental option,’ that is to say, the decision which totally commits the person and which is necessary if mortal sin is to exist.” The Holy See admitted the description of a person’s basic moral disposition as a “fundamental option.” What is NOT admissible is to claim that individual human actions cannot radically change this fundamental option. A person’s moral disposition “can be completely changed by particular acts, especially when, as often happens, these have been prepared for by previous more superficial acts. Whatever the case, it is wrong to say that particular acts are not enough to constitute a mortal sin” (Persona Humana, Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, December 29, 1975, number 10). As pointed out to you, Pope John Paul II renewed this teaching in his encyclical, Veritatis Splendor.

 

[Blue_Horizon]

Is it possible for a person to go through life and never commit a mortal sin? And if it is possible does anyone know of another other than Jesus and mary in whom they believe never commited a mortal sin?

John the Baptist is traditionally believed to have constantly remained in a state of grace since he leapt in Elizabeth’s womb.

It is generally accepted that those capable of human moral acts will all have sinned at least venially some time in their life.

I do not believe, as some have stated, that even the Pope is capable of judging whether or not any person has sinned mortally.
That is a judgement only each of us ourselves is capable of making (with assistance from a Confessor perhaps) for oneself.
And even then we may be mistaken. as engaging in grave-matter is often not mortally sinning as the Baltimore Catechism well explains.

 

[Windmill]

Polar,

If you are really seeking peace then you will read this post, pray about it, and try to come alongside me here.

If I upset you, I’m sorry. Being blunt is often a fault of mine. My intent is not to tear you down. As I mentioned in my last post, if you truly never committed a mortal sin then you are truly saintly - truly, for you would go straight to Heaven or through Purgatory. That’s great! I’m not there, nor do I know anyone who has ever said they were there. So your statement is shocking to me - thus my shocking response: asking for a relic. Never did I say you had sinned mortally. You obviously believe you haven’t, and this is between you and God. Great. Hallelujah.

Rather than being blunt, I should have been honest about my concern here. Now please hear this last part and know that I am not judging your soul, I am merely voicing a concern with other words you have used in your responses:

Grave matter is not subjective. We do not have to “feel” that a sin severs our relationship with Christ for it to be grave. It is objectively grave. So if the Church’s moral teachings tell us an act is gravely sinful and we give full consent to that act fully knowing it is grave, then it is a mortal sin. When the Church has taught us the nature of particular sins, we should defer to the Church rather than our own subjective feelings about an act. You may be fully aware of this. Awesome. Others, however, may read this thread and come away with wrong ideas.

I cannot look into your soul. Only you can, and apparently you have. Great. Praise be to God. If I came across as being rude, I’m sorry. Please pray for me. Truly, our goal is to get to Heaven and help others get there, too.

 

[PolarGuy]

Wind, what you write has some merit. I’d offer this: There are a lot of folks who come here who are overscrupulous, so much so that I don’t know how they function. I think we all ought to be careful about how we interact with those folks - particularly in writing posts that they either will see or be influenced by. That’s really my chief objection to a lot of posts that suggest mortal sin may be everywhere. Sadly, sin is in fact everywhere; I just wish folks wouldn’t throw it in the faces of those who seem overscrupulous; in efforts to speak the truth, we’re really feeding their scrupulosity.

 

[Windmill]

Agreed.