New Age religion?

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I have to say I loved fantasy as a kid and still do today. I can say without a doubt that my love of fantasy led me to dabble in NewAge and witchcraft. This doesn’t mean all kids will be drawn to this stuff but I wonder how many wiccans New Agers and the like didn’t start out with fantasy as a kid.
 
petitfleur said:
I have to say I loved fantasy as a kid and still do today. I can say without a doubt that my love of fantasy led me to dabble in NewAge and witchcraft. This doesn’t mean all kids will be drawn to this stuff but I wonder how many wiccans New Agers and the like didn’t start out with fantasy as a kid.
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Good point! 🙂

Some one pointed out that one of the most confusing messages for children is that we have **Black Magic **and White Magic, **“Bad witches” **and “Good witches”. And that, while we should avoid the **black magic **for its occult dark side, we should not be afraid to practice white magic…

Unfortunatelly, no magic practicing comes from God. More often that not, the practicing of the latter can be an introduction to the former. 😦 (What american TV viewer did not grow up enjoying Samantha in “Bewitched” for being a good witch. I know I did!.) Our teens’ current TV programs are filled with “good wizards” using chants and spells for ‘good’. Yet, for people without proper evangelization, any dabbling in Magic can be a regretable nightmarish trap.
 
This brings to mind a recent powerful insight a forum member in another thread:
We are to trust in God alone and put our future in His hands. By divination and spiritism we are trying to control our own lives by seeking to know things that are not in God’s plan for us to know at this time. This was exactly the sin of Adam and Eve when they ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Satan appealed to their desire for knowledge and power and he uses the same temptation today. Angel Cards
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I believe that the phrase that also applies to the danger of any magic and the reason why God would oppose it, is: "seeking to know things that are not in God’s plan for us to know at this time." When, instead of praying for *God’s will *to be done in our lives, we invoke other “powers” for *our will *to be done.

**The seductive power of Magic:
Through divine power, we do it God’s way,…
Through magic, we do it our way.

To Jesus through Mary 👍
 
Edward_Henry said:
Unfortunatelly, no magic practicing comes from God. More often that not, the practicing of the latter can be an introduction to the former. 😦 (What american TV viewer did not grow up enjoying Samantha in “Bewitched” for being a good witch. I know I did!.) Our teens’ current TV programs are filled with “good wizards” using chants and spells for ‘good’. Yet, for people without proper evangelization, any dabbling in Magic can be a regretable nightmarish trap.
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This does not change the simple fact that magic in fiction is not the same as real life. Real witches don’t fly on brooms. They can’t summon dragons. They certainly don’t cast spells just by twitching their nose.
 
Claire_from_DE said:
And for Lost Wanderer, of course teens know that brooms can’t fly. But as a school library media specialist I can tell you that satanism, witchcraft, and the occult are subjects many kids will choose as topics for their research papers if the teacher permits. And some of these kids actually practice satanism or experiment with the occult. Most are only interested and curious but some few are involved in it. I have known them. It is deeply disturbing. Teens as a group are just as stupid as adults about things like this.
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I’ve done such similar research when I was barely twelve and without the need to do it for any academic requirement no less. I was only bored and wanted to know why some people were all bugged out by Harry Potter. I barely flipped through the pages and what I saw was not as interesting at the fictionalized thing.

Surely one doesn’t need an entire Catechism class to see the disparity between actual witchcraft and fictional magic?
 
Lost_Wanderer said:
This does not change the simple fact that magic in fiction is not the same as real life. Real witches don’t fly on brooms. They can’t summon dragons. They certainly don’t cast spells just by twitching their nose.
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Yes, magic in ficiton should never be the same as real life. Unfortunatelly some irresponsible game manufacturers have been *infiltrating *some **real **occult practices into games of our unsuspecting young such as the Oujia Board. They have also been suggenting real occult *enchantations spells *for our children to chant while thinking that they are merely playing a game.

Certain games like *D&D *are providing large “advanced player manuals” for our kids to “succeed” at winning the game. They provide an whole encyclopedia of evil dark characters with “fictitious” ancient names to be summoned. The 'Imaginary" names of the game characters that our children are expected to summon, are not necessarily fictitious. Exorcisms have repeteadly shown that the summoning of ancient names of spirits can have detrimental consecuences.😦

I am sure you mean well, please do not criticize our attempt to protect our children’s souls.

To Jesus through Mary 👍
 
Edward_Henry said:
Yes, magic in ficiton should never be the same as real life. Unfortunatelly some irresponsible game manufacturers have been *infiltrating *some **real **occult practices into games of our unsuspecting young such as the Oujia Board. They have also been suggenting real occult *enchantations spells *for our children to chant while thinking that they are merely playing a game.
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That whole fiasco was a joke. I’m a gamer and a bit of toy nut myself. Trying to make a toy ouija board is as good an idea as selling toy rocks.
Edward_Henry said:
Certain games like *D&D *are providing large “advanced player manuals” for our kids to “succeed” at winning the game. They provide an whole encyclopedia of evil dark characters with “fictitious” ancient names to be summoned. The 'Imaginary" names of the game characters that our children are expected to summon, are not necessarily fictitious. Exorcisms have repeteadly shown that the summoning of ancient names of spirits can have detrimental consecuences.😦
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Sorry but names (and all words in any language as a whole) are only as good as what you associate them with. You can learn that much in any linguistics class. Fictionalizing entities (from Azazel to Thor) automatically renders any value you oh so fear. Following your logic, invoking the name of an angel named Michael is equal to saying an actual prayer. Sorry but this is ridiculous.
 
Lost_Wanderer said:
That whole fiasco was a joke. I’m a gamer and a bit of toy nut myself. Trying to make a toy ouija board is as good an idea as selling toy rocks.

Sorry but names (and all words in any language as a whole) are only as good as what you associate them with. You can learn that much in any linguistics class. Fictionalizing entities (from Azazel to Thor) automatically renders any value you oh so fear. Following your logic, invoking the name of an angel named Michael is equal to saying an actual prayer. Sorry but this is ridiculous.
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What a waste of time! Trying to explain deep spiritual realities to someone who refuses to see :shrug:definitely does not takes us anywhere. The danger of the Ouija Board for Chrisitians (and especially for our young people) is widely recognized. But, I will not continue to waste my time trying to explain this to you anymore. I hope that all this debating keeps you entertained.

I guess, when exposing the dark side of New Age, one should not be surprised to encounter spiritual warfare.

I should recognize my limitations. I did not pay attention to the claims of your avatar: "I side with the Light yet I am cursed with the Dark… am I alone on this Twilight path?"

Mabuhay. 👍

To Jesus through Mary
 
Edward_Henry said:
What a waste of time! Trying to explain deep spiritual realities to someone who refuses to see :shrug:definitely does not takes us anywhere. The danger of the Ouija Board for Chrisitians (and especially for our young people) is widely recognized. But, I will not continue to waste my time trying to explain this to you anymore. I hope that all this debating keeps you entertained.
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Where did I deny the danger? I just stated that as a gamer, making a game out of a ritual sounds like a complete joke.

I guess, when exposing the dark side of New Age, one should not be surprised to encounter spiritual warfare.
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I should recognize my limitations. I did not pay attention to the claims of your avatar: "I side with the Light yet I am cursed with the Dark… am I alone on this Twilight path?"
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Why should you? Should I pay attention to my opponent’s bowtie in a formal debate? :ehh:

Honestly, are all ‘spiritual Catholics’ obsessed with using ad homs as you are?
 
Lost Wanderer: Why should you? Should I pay attention to my opponent’s bowtie in a formal debate? :ehh:
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That is where you and I differ. I bother to write in a Catholic forum to share faith matters or spiritual concerns with other fellow Catholics. But, noticing by your posts, you seem to be seeking “opponents” to enter into debates with. What it this? just one more game of a bored gamer in front of his computer?

Respectfully, you should seek “opponents” in your games not in this forum. We have got more important issues to address than to become part of a debating game for a gamer. While we defend the faith you defend dark fantasy characters. We definitely are wasting our time. You are obviously so involved in New Age fantasy that you cannot be unbiased about it. Please **do not expect **more responses from me. and let’s keep each other in our prayers.

Sincerely,
 
Edward_Henry said:
That is where you and I differ. I bother to write in the forum to share faith matters or spiritual concerns with other fellow Catholics. But, noticing by your posts, you seem to be seeking “opponents” to enter into debates with. What it this? just one more game of a bored gamer in front of his computer? You should seek “opponents” in your games not in this forum. We have got more important issues to address than to become part of a debating game for a gamer. While we defend the faith you defend dark fantasy characters. We definitely are wasting our time.
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LOL! You speak of wasting time yet the only reason I come on threads like this is because of people like you. What, you think you can just make blatantly ignorant statements about fantasy and think you can get away with giving the impression that all good and faithful Catholics think I like you do? I think not.

You don’t want me getting on your case on this? Stop spouting your nonsense. Every time I see you comment about fiction it’s always the same ignorant tripe.

P.S.

Thank you for avoiding the point about ad hominem. I notice a lot of self-proclaimed ‘spiritual’ Catholics tend to do that too. I’m starting to think that people who claim you’re all not like that are more likely an exception.

Oh and btw? Rather prideful and arrogant for a Catholic like you to be presuming I don’t defend the faith just because I expose your ignorance. Frankly, I do the Church a favor cuz people with your views on fiction give us a needless and bad rep.

You can ignore me all you want. I never expect decent replies from the likes of you. I just respond so that people won’t think you’re setting an example. Heck you not responding makes this all easier on my time. :rolleyes:
 
catholicgirl201 said:
Thanks for all your helpful answers. 🙂
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Glad to be of help 🙂

From the Catechism of the Catholic Church
**Divination and magic **
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**2117 **All practices of magic or sorcery, by which one attempts to tame occult powers, so as to place them at one’s service and have a supernatural power over others – even if this were for the sake of restoring their health – are gravely contrary to the virtue of religion. These practices are even more to be condemned when accompanied by the intention of harming someone, or when they have recourse to the intervention of demons. Wearing charms is also reprehensible. Spiritism often implies divination or magical practices; the Church for her part warns the faithful against it. Recourse to so-called traditional cures does not justify either the invocation of evil powers or the exploitation of another’s credulity.
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To Jesus through Mary 👍
 
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