New Italian Our Father translation

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As I understand it a new version of the Our Father has been approved for liturgical use in Italy that changes “lead us not into temptation” to “do not abandon us to temptation” because God cannot be the cause of temptation.

I asked my priest if I could use it and he said yes, if said alone.

Are you in favor of this translation possible being approved in the US? I’m all for a more theologically accurate translation.
 
I am not too invested either way. Although I do think that the traditional translation of the Our Father should be left alone, simply because it is what people have known their whole lives and are accustomed to.

I see no problems with changing the translation from a theological point of view, but I’m sure that wouldn’t stop some from accusing the Pope of heresy for changing it.
 
I would prefer to recite a more accurate translation of the Scriptures. No need to fiddle with something that hasn’t been an issue for 2000 yrs.

God doesnt actually tempt anyone Himself.

James 1
Blessed is the man who endures trial, for when he has stood the test he will receive the crown of life which God has promised to those who love him. Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am tempted by God”; for God cannot be tempted with evil and he himself tempts no one; 14 but each person is tempted when he is lured and enticed by his own desire.

But God sometimes allows us to be tempted. Anything that happens must be permitted by Him.

Job 1
And the Lord said to Satan, “Have you considered my servant Job, that there is none like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, who fears God and turns away from evil?” Then Satan answered the Lord, “Does Job fear God for nought? Hast thou not put a hedge about him and his house and all that he has, on every side? Thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his possessions have increased in the land. But put forth thy hand now, and touch all that he has, and he will curse thee to thy face.” And the Lord said to Satan, “Behold, all that he has is in your power; only upon himself do not put forth your hand.” So Satan went forth from the presence of the Lord.

So I think when this is described as “leading”, it means “allowing” and not necessarily “abandoning”.

Matthew 4
Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil.

God neither tempted Himself, or abandoned Himself.
 
In the Pope’s native Spanish, this petition has always been (or at least for as long as anyone can remember), “Do not let us fall into temptation”. In Portuguese, too:

• No nos dejes caer en la tentación
• Não nos deixeis cair em tentação
 
I’d like to revert to ‘Deliver us from the Evil One’ which recognises Satan as a reality…and I do say that when alone.
 
In Arabic it’s “do not let us be exposed to trial” (la tu’aredna li al-tajriba).
 
My issue with changing the Our Father translation for the English speaking world is that for the most part, English Speaking Protestants also use that translation. By changing it, we break a means of community with them and open the Catholic Church up to more ridicule, accusations, etc, from the more hard line Protestants who feel Catholicism isn’t truly Christian. And for what? A tweak in translation? It isn’t worth it.
 
A few years ago, the Pope said the Catholic Church would agree to a fixed Easter, implying that if the Protestant churches were to make that move, the Catholic Church would follow suit, but it wouldn’t go it alone. Perhaps in this case, too, an approach of that kind might be helpful.
 
That’s actually what the CCC teaches. I sometimes do it, but I’d like to think “evil” includes Satan
 
I’d be in favor of the change. Even as a child I puzzled over the line “lead us not into temptation.” It is the word “lead” that is a problem.
 
Lead is the English translation of the Sacred Koine Greek text eisenegkEs.

Literal translation:

A.)YOU-MAY-BE-INTO-CARRYING
B.)you-may-be-bringing-into
 
Cecilia2017 said:
I’d like to revert to ‘Deliver us from the Evil One’ which recognises Satan as a reality…and I do say that when alone.
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When the Byzantine nee Ruthenian Metropolia changed the liturgy a few years ago, they noted that better translations were available (particularly “deliver us from the evil one”), but that they were keeping it as an element of unity with other English speaking christians, as the basic translation is pre-reformation.
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A few years ago, the Pope said the Catholic Church would agree to a fixed Easter,
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And on that note: both the Old and New calendars missed the correct date for easter this year, something that won’t be repeated for a very long time.
 
DrawNearToGod said:
As I understand it a new version of the Our Father has been approved for liturgical use in Italy that changes “lead us not into temptation” to “do not abandon us to temptation” because God cannot be the cause of temptation.

I asked my priest if I could use it and he said yes, if said alone.

Are you in favor of this translation possible being approved in the US? I’m all for a more theologically accurate translation.
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It is not a more theologically accurate translation. It is wrong on both Biblical and theological grounds.

The Greek of Matthew’s version of the Lord’s Prayer literally has “do not bring us to temptation.” Bring. Not “let” or “abandon”. So it gets it wrong there.

And the assumption that God does not bring us to temptation is also wrong. He does at times, actively bring us to occasions with tests and temptations according to his will. The prime evidence of this is the Holy Spirit leading Jesus to the desert precisely to be tempted by the devil.

So I’m hoping this agenda-driven, anthopomorphic translation never makes its way into English. This is an example of man making God in his own image.
 
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Well, fair enough. I wasnt rightly considering when English translations appeared.

I’m not aware of any English translation which renders it different than “lead us not into temptation”.

It’s the literal translation.

The Latin Vulgate:
Matthew 6:13
et ne inducas nos in temptationem sed libera nos a malo
 
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