New law would FORCE everyone to hire gays

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A new bill (HR2015), introduced in the House of Representatives by homosexual Congressman Barney Frank, would FORCE organizations such as the Boy Scouts, Veterans of Foreign Wars, day care centers, the Catholic Church, adoption agencies, public schools, municipalities and a host of other businesses and organizations to hire homosexual applicants.

This bill would make it illegal to fire, refuse to hire or refuse to promote an employee based on his or her sexual orientation or “gender identity.” Such acts would be considered CRIMES subject to severe penalties.

Click here to read the entire proposal.
 
I do not see anywhere in this bill that any organization would be forced to hire gays. What it does do is force them to ignore the sexual orientation of the applicant when making a decision to hire or not. This makes them decide to hire someone based upon if they can do the job or not, and not what they do at home. You can easily have someone be gay and do a job and have none of the coworkers be the wiser to the fact that that person is gay.

How is this different than telling you i.e. you won’t be hired as a construction worker because you don’t like sweet potato pie, when that food preference will have no bearing on the work you do?
 
I do not see anywhere in this bill that any organization would be forced to hire gays. What it does do is force them to ignore the sexual orientation of the applicant when making a decision to hire or not. This makes them decide to hire someone based upon if they can do the job or not, and not what they do at home. You can easily have someone be gay and do a job and have none of the coworkers be the wiser to the fact that that person is gay.

How is this different than telling you i.e. you won’t be hired as a construction worker because you don’t like sweet potato pie, when that food preference will have no bearing on the work you do?
Because food preferences are not equal to sexual behavior preferences.
 
Because food preferences are not equal to sexual behavior preferences.
And how does sexual behavior preferences have anything to do with i.e. clerical work? This is not an issue that would even come up during regular work discussions.

“Hey Bob, have that finance report done?”

“not yet because I’m gay”

 
I’ve never heard of sexual preference being on an application. :rolleyes:
 
Here is my reply:
  1. There are areas in which it is not unjust discrimination to take sexual orientation into account, for example, in the placement of children for adoption or foster care, in employment of teachers or athletic coaches, and in military recruitment.
  1. Homosexual persons, as human persons, have the same rights as all persons including the right of not being treated in a manner which offends their personal dignity (cf. No. 10). Among other rights, all persons have the right to work, to housing, etc. Nevertheless, these rights are not absolute. They can be legitimately limited for objectively disordered external conduct. This is sometimes not only licit but obligatory. This would obtain moreover not only in the case of culpable behavior but even in the case of actions of the physically or mentally ill. Thus it is accepted that the state may restrict the exercise of rights, for example, in the case of contagious or mentally ill persons, in order to protect the common good.
  1. Including “homosexual orientation” among the considerations on the basis of which it is illegal to discriminate can easily lead to regarding homosexuality as a positive source of human rights, for example, in respect to so-called affirmative action or preferential treatment in hiring practices. This is all the more deleterious since there is no right to homosexuality (cf. No. 10) which therefore should not form the basis for judicial claims…
 
I’ve never heard of sexual preference being on an application. :rolleyes:
I have some reason to believe I was fired from one job for not looking straight enough. It’s not certain, but given that I was one of their top performers (and that the dress code more or less amounted to ‘don’t show up naked’), I don’t see very many other possibilities, good or bad.

Really, it’s sad that this even has to be brought up. Most workplaces can’t even fire or refuse to hire someone for heterosexual fornication without inviting penalties; why should they assume they’re protected if they try to get rid of a homosexual? Jim Crow is alive and well, only now he’s wearing a dress; and instead of the ridiculous specter of ‘they’re after our women’, we have the equally risible ‘they’re after our children’.

Also, you guys can stop shrieking now, or at least turn it down a little. Sections 6 and 7 specifically exempt religious and military organizations.
 
I have some reason to believe I was fired from one job for not looking straight enough. It’s not certain, but given that I was one of their top performers (and that the dress code more or less amounted to ‘don’t show up naked’), I don’t see very many other possibilities, good or bad.

Really, it’s sad that this even has to be brought up. Most workplaces can’t even fire or refuse to hire someone for heterosexual fornication without inviting penalties; why should they assume they’re protected if they try to get rid of a homosexual? Jim Crow is alive and well, only now he’s wearing a dress; and instead of the ridiculous specter of ‘they’re after our women’, we have the equally risible ‘they’re after our children’.

Also, you guys can stop shrieking now, or at least turn it down a little. Sections 6 and 7 specifically exempt religious and military organizations.
Behavior is not equal to skin color. What is risible is the idea people who claim they must act on certain desires require special “rights”.
 
I’ve never heard of sexual preference being on an application. :rolleyes:
I was thinking the same thing. Surely there is no block on application forms asking for sexual orientation. If it’s not on there, the whole thing seems to be a moot issue.
 
I do not believe that someone should be refused a job based on their sexual orientation. However, I do support the right of religious organizations to not hire someone based upon their sexual orientation.
 
Employment Non-Discrimination Act (ENDA) would make it illegal to fire, refuse to hire, or refuse to promote an employee based on his sexual orientation or “gender identity.”
I always worry about the unintended consequences of such things. If 'sexual orientation" is a prohibited factor in employment decisions, it would presumably be illegal for a child daycare center to refuse to hire an otherwise qualified self-identified pedophile. I’m sure NAMBLA would be willing to make such a case.
 
Behavior is not equal to skin color. What is risible is the idea people who claim they must act on certain desires require special “rights”.
What’s the problem with having the rest of the rights you all enjoy? There’s nothing special about being able to hold employment no matter our preferences in bed – just as it doesn’t matter to an employer if you choose to commit what you consider a sexual sin off the clock.
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I always worry about the unintended consequences of such things. If 'sexual orientation" is a prohibited factor in employment decisions, it would presumably be illegal for a child daycare center to refuse to hire an otherwise qualified self-identified pedophile. I’m sure NAMBLA would be willing to make such a case.
Pedophilia and ephebophilia are paraphilias or fetishes, not sexual orientations. There are straight pedophiles just as there are gay ones – but guess which variety makes splashier headlines.
 
What’s the problem with having the rest of the rights you all enjoy?
You already have the same rights. Politically gay groups want a type of special right that does not exist and cannot exist. There is no right to do wrong. There is no reason to have civil law contradict natural law. There is no reason to allow openly gay persons in certain positions that would influence children. As my link to the Vatican document points out it is not unjust to deny certain people certain jobs.
There’s nothing special about being able to hold employment no matter our preferences in bed – just as it doesn’t matter to an employer if you choose to commit what you consider a sexual sin off the clock.
I think it is a much more sophisticated issue then you portray here. If one simply had an inclination to the same sex but never mentioned it or did not live in an openly gay way that would not even be an issue. The issue here seems to be people wanting to live in this so called gay way and then claiming employers may never discriminate based on this conduct.
Pedophilia and ephebophilia are paraphilias or fetishes, not sexual orientations. There are straight pedophiles just as there are gay ones – but guess which variety makes splashier headlines.
Academic distinctions seem to be as political and artificial as many other things these days.
 
Employment Non-Discrimination Act (ENDA) would make it illegal to fire, refuse to hire, or refuse to promote an employee based on his sexual orientation or "gender identity."
There was already an issue with gender identity.
I would have to do a search on Fox News, but there was a person that was one sex, but dressed as another, and wanted everyone to refer to them as the other. And had surgery planned to change to the other.

This person was a teacher. And the kids were having a hard time understanding why it was Mr Whatever and it was now Ms Whatever. Or it was the co-workers.

There was a law suit about it. Anyone else remember this? I don’t have time to do the search now, but I will later today.
 
Some of the comments on this thread serve as evidence that laws protecting the rights of gays are sorely needed.
 
Some of the comments on this thread serve as evidence that laws protecting the rights of gays are sorely needed.
Since when is a lifestyle based solely on a deviant sexual attraction in need of legal protection? Should we sanction with legal protection any and all deviant or anomaly based lifestyle choices and expressions? What is sorely needed is a return to natural moral law as the basis and norm for what is legitimately in need or protection.
 
You already have the same rights.
The entire marriage debate is framed as a rights issue – but let’s not get into that. Otherwise, I admit I misspoke. The problem is not so much in rights as it is in their protection; although if rights are not protected, what good are they? As it stands now, I can be fired or rejected for hire merely on the basis of a private, personal choice and I have little to no recourse. If a straight person is fired for peccadilloes off company time – also a private, personal choice – he or she can sue, no problem.
Politically gay groups want a type of special right that does not exist and cannot exist. There is no right to do wrong. There is no reason to have civil law contradict natural law.
Corporations should not be in business to enforce after-hours moral behavior on their employees, and since it seems some people don’t understand that I can see a need for this kind of legislation.

Natural law is not agreed upon as a basis for government; it is a religious principle, and therefore is not appropriate as the foundation of a secular law which must take into account that people do not adhere to one moral standard. Similarly, definitions of what is wrong differ, and if an action causes no direct, objective harm to another without consent, I see no reason to have civil law forbid it.
There is no reason to allow openly gay persons in certain positions that would influence children. As my link to the Vatican document points out it is not unjust to deny certain people certain jobs.
And why, pray tell, should a homosexual who is qualified and willing to care for children and is blameless otherwise even in your eyes be prohibited from taking a job doing just that? I agree with the principle, of course – there is reason to deny an embezzler a position as an accountant, and there is reason to turn down a narcoleptic for a long-distance truck driver – but its application here is not based on actual crimes or on tangible danger, rather instead on vague cries of moral turpitude.
I think it is a much more sophisticated issue then you portray here. If one simply had an inclination to the same sex but never mentioned it or did not live in an openly gay way that would not even be an issue. The issue here seems to be people wanting to live in this so called gay way and then claiming employers may never discriminate based on this conduct.
And if a business discriminates by not hiring flamboyant heterosexuals? Would not that be unfair? It is a simple issue at heart: are we free to choose how to live our personal lives without having to worry about the company firing us for doing something a higher-up disapproves of off the clock, with no impact on the company?
Academic distinctions seem to be as political and artificial as many other things these days.
Considering how often people, almost always those with an anti-homosexuality agenda, conflate homosexuals and pederasts it’s an important one.
 
Natural law is not agreed upon as a basis for government; it is a religious principle, and therefore is not appropriate as the foundation of a secular law which must take into account that people do not adhere to one moral standard. Similarly, definitions of what is wrong differ, and if an action causes no direct, objective harm to another without consent, I see no reason to have civil law forbid it.
Rather than dismissing it out of hand as a “religious principle”, explain how natural law is not a universal application of principles that guide the choices of men and the laws that govern societies?

**1956 **The natural law, present in the heart of each man and established by reason, is universal in its precepts and its authority extends to all men. It expresses the dignity of the person and determines the basis for his fundamental rights and duties: (CCC)
 
I support NO bill which would Require an organization or company to have to hire anyone for any reason just because they are homosexual or female or male or of color or any other reason.

Employment should go to those who are Qualified for that job. If a homosexual is more qualified than a heterosexual, then fine, but to FORCE any company or organization to hire based upon that is Wrong and Dangerous.
 
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