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gurneyhalleck1
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I’m really wondering why Metropolitan Jonah of the Orthodox Church of America even bothered to show up to this event thinking he could form a communion one of these days with the ACNA? Look at what he said at the event…
“I’m afraid my talk will have something to offend about everybody,” he acknowledged. “But we have to speak the truth in love.”
For example, **“Calvinism is a condemned heresy,” **he said, which was a direct slap to the Reformed Episcopal Church, an ACNA member group formed in 1873 on principles – such as predestination – espoused by French-Swiss Protestant reformer John Calvin.
“There are other **heresies that come from the Reformation **that must be rejected,” the prelate added, “such as the anti-sacramentalism in some forms of evangelicalism. … When you go into some Protestant churches, you see it’s an auditorium and maybe an empty cross.”
Then, "the issue of ordination of women has to be resolved," he said to scattered applause.
“I believe in women’s ministries. Women have a critical role in the life of the church. I don’t believe it’s in the presbyterate or the episcopate,” alluding to the offices of priest and bishop. The Orthodox do allow women to be deacons.
washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jun/25/orthodox-leader-opens-a-dialogue/
I know sometimes it seems Orthodox and Roman Catholics are worlds apart where the papacy is concerned but it’s so silly, when all is said and done, that the RCC and Orthodox agree across the board pretty much about morality and ordinations, justification, you name it, and yet the OCA is seeking a relationship with Anglicans? He condemns Calvinism here but Calvinism is embedded in parts of Anglican thinking, especially in the Eucharist. Cranmer had a lot of Calvinist leanings. Much of the evangelical Anglican world has a calvinist slant on things. Jonah rejects Calvinism and female ordination so he probably eliminated 50-60% of that room as future partners! lol I just wish Orthodoxy would seek to forge a better future with Rome rather than do thingns like this. I do know that the OCA is only a slice of Orthodoxy, however, not representative of a lot of Orthodox. I’m just scratching my head over this? Am I alone here?
“I’m afraid my talk will have something to offend about everybody,” he acknowledged. “But we have to speak the truth in love.”
For example, **“Calvinism is a condemned heresy,” **he said, which was a direct slap to the Reformed Episcopal Church, an ACNA member group formed in 1873 on principles – such as predestination – espoused by French-Swiss Protestant reformer John Calvin.
“There are other **heresies that come from the Reformation **that must be rejected,” the prelate added, “such as the anti-sacramentalism in some forms of evangelicalism. … When you go into some Protestant churches, you see it’s an auditorium and maybe an empty cross.”
Then, "the issue of ordination of women has to be resolved," he said to scattered applause.
“I believe in women’s ministries. Women have a critical role in the life of the church. I don’t believe it’s in the presbyterate or the episcopate,” alluding to the offices of priest and bishop. The Orthodox do allow women to be deacons.
washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jun/25/orthodox-leader-opens-a-dialogue/
I know sometimes it seems Orthodox and Roman Catholics are worlds apart where the papacy is concerned but it’s so silly, when all is said and done, that the RCC and Orthodox agree across the board pretty much about morality and ordinations, justification, you name it, and yet the OCA is seeking a relationship with Anglicans? He condemns Calvinism here but Calvinism is embedded in parts of Anglican thinking, especially in the Eucharist. Cranmer had a lot of Calvinist leanings. Much of the evangelical Anglican world has a calvinist slant on things. Jonah rejects Calvinism and female ordination so he probably eliminated 50-60% of that room as future partners! lol I just wish Orthodoxy would seek to forge a better future with Rome rather than do thingns like this. I do know that the OCA is only a slice of Orthodoxy, however, not representative of a lot of Orthodox. I’m just scratching my head over this? Am I alone here?