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I do not see much discussion pertaining to the NRSV on this forum so I figured I would start one. Maybe it is not worth discussing but let’s give it a try. I am not familiar with this translation at all so I am completely unbiased. In my research, I have found that it is cited in many documents found on the Vatican website and was used in the CCC. Aside from the inclusive language that fire so many people up on here, what else is wrong with it? It is used in Canada if I am not mistaken and is apparently used by some in the Vatican so it can’t be all that bad. I would think that an update of the RSV would be a good thing. Plus if the layout has been improved it would be even better…let’s face it…the RSV, while a decent translation, lacks a decent formatting making it almost unreadable–even the RSV-2CE. Plus, the RSV does not offer a single volume study bible with good notes and cross-refs. Does the NRSV have a better format and are any decent study bibles offer in this translation? How is it in terms of literal accuracy?

You folks can get pretty fired up over bible translations so let em fly!! 😃
 
I do not see much discussion pertaining to the NRSV on this forum so I figured I would start one. Maybe it is not worth discussing but let’s give it a try. I am not familiar with this translation at all so I am completely unbiased. In my research, I have found that it is cited in many documents found on the Vatican website and was used in the CCC. Aside from the inclusive language that fire so many people up on here, what else is wrong with it? It is used in Canada if I am not mistaken and is apparently used by some in the Vatican so it can’t be all that bad. I would think that an update of the RSV would be a good thing. Plus if the layout has been improved it would be even better…let’s face it…the RSV, while a decent translation, lacks a decent formatting making it almost unreadable–even the RSV-2CE. Plus, the RSV does not offer a single volume study bible with good notes and cross-refs. Does the NRSV have a better format and are any decent study bibles offer in this translation? How is it in terms of literal accuracy?

You folks can get pretty fired up over bible translations so let em fly!! 😃
Swampboy,

I would put the NRSV somewhere between the RSV/ESV and the NAB in regards to its translation philosophy. It is essentially a literal translation, while occasionally offering a more free rendering. Some of that has to do with its use of inclusive language, but only in the horizontal sense. The NRSV does not use inclusive language in regards to God. The NRSV was one of the first major translations, following the lead of the NJB, to introduce gender-inclusive language. In many ways it is the standard, although there are some places, particularly in OT references to the “Son of Man” and in Heb. 2, where the traditional rendering would have been more helpful. In most cases, however, whenever the NRSV does imploy inclusive language, there is a textual note at the bottom of the page which indicates the original Greek or Hebrew. The NRSV’s textual notes, which are many, are one of its great strengths.

Bruce Metzger (1914-2007), chair of the RSV revision committee, indicated in the preface to the NRSV that one of the main reasons for the NRSV was the discovery of older textual manuscripts. In particular, the continued discovery of more scrolls from Qumran shed greater light on even more books of the Old Testament. While the translators based their translation on the Biblia Hebraica Stuttgartensia (1977; ed. sec. emendata, 1983), it departed often when the Qumran scrolls suggested doing so. Therefore, the Old Testament translators followed an eclectic text. The book that saw the most deviation from the Masoretic Text was 1 and 2 Samuel. In particular, the first few chapters of 1 Samuel relied heavily on the Dead Sea Scroll discoveries. It should be noted that the translators also used, more than in the RSV, early Greek, Latin, and Syriac texts. The translators of the Deuterocanonical/Apocrypha books made use of a number of texts, including findings from Qumran. This information can be found here.

For the New Testament, translators followed the text of Nestle-Aland 26th edition/UBS 3rd edition, of which Bruce Metzger was a leading member.

In my mind, what makes the NRSV a very good translation is that it uses these newly discovered texts. Oftentimes, in the case of the Dead Sea Scrolls, these texts tend to confirm the LXX in a number of cases, thus making the NRSV more dependent on the LXX, while still using the MT as its base. I think that is an advantage.

Also, a great strength of the NRSV is that there are a lot of study tools available. There are various interlinears, dictionaries, Bible Maps, concordances, comparative translations, study Bibles, and a host of commentaries based off of it. And since the NRSV is a decendent of the RSV, the older RSV tools can be used with it as well.

Just my 2 cents!
 
Thank you for your very detailed info…what you noted fascinates me a great deal, particularly the fact that this translation utilizes very recent discoveries. I am looking for something with rsv accuracy but n/jb type notes and references-----and the rsv sure doesn’t have it and likely never will. Now I need to find $$ for yet another bible!!
 
Thank you for your very detailed info…what you noted fascinates me a great deal, particularly the fact that this translation utilizes very recent discoveries. I am looking for something with rsv accuracy but n/jb type notes and references-----and the rsv sure doesn’t have it and likely never will. Now I need to find $$ for yet another bible!!
Swampboy,

The closest you will get in regards to the RSV, until the Ignatius Study Bible is complete, is the Oxford Annotated Study Bible: christianbook.com/Christian/Books/product?item_no=8335X&netp_id=108868&event=ESRCN&item_code=WW&view=covers

They still publish it in hardcover as well. I hope that Ignatius Press hurries up a bit on their Ignatius Study Bible, but we shall see.

I recently was reviewing, on my blog, the various premium leather Bibles out there that Catholics could use. There are three NRSV study Bible options to choose from, each have their positives and negatives. They also come in harback as well. But if you want to take a look, here you go: catholicbibles.blogspot.com/2009/03/premium-leather-bible-round-up.html
 
thanks for the link…that’s quite the site you have put together. I will look at it later tonight when I get some time. One question RE: the NRSV…does it have notes or book intros similar to the NAB…you know, dare I say, notes that border on the liber i.e. “heretical side”? Or are there differences based on publisher, etc. and if so which ones do not have such higher criticism based notes? Thanks.
 
thanks for the link…that’s quite the site you have put together. I will look at it later tonight when I get some time. One question RE: the NRSV…does it have notes or book intros similar to the NAB…you know, dare I say, notes that border on the liber i.e. “heretical side”? Or are there differences based on publisher, etc. and if so which ones do not have such higher criticism based notes? Thanks.
The NRSV does not come with commentary notes, only textual notes. The textual notes indicate other possible translations of the text, as well as variances in the different manuscripts.

As for the various NRSV study Bibles that are out, most are going to be on the liberal side. Of the three major ones, the New Oxford Annotated, HarperCollins, and New Interpreters Study Bible, I think the HarperCollins and New Interpreters are better. None of the three are Catholic, but all include Catholic contributors.

I, myself, do not typically use a study Bible, but rather suppliment my reading with particular commentaries. The NRSV edition I use is: amazon.com/ReferenceApoc…/dp/0521681316
I like it because it has tons of cross-references, a very thorough biblical dictionary, and some really good maps.
 
The NRSV does not come with commentary notes, only textual notes. The textual notes indicate other possible translations of the text, as well as variances in the different manuscripts.

As for the various NRSV study Bibles that are out, most are going to be on the liberal side. Of the three major ones, the New Oxford Annotated, HarperCollins, and New Interpreters Study Bible, I think the HarperCollins and New Interpreters are better. None of the three are Catholic, but all include Catholic contributors.

I, myself, do not typically use a study Bible, but rather suppliment my reading with particular commentaries. The NRSV edition I use is: amazon.com/ReferenceApoc…/dp/0521681316
I like it because it has tons of cross-references, a very thorough biblical dictionary, and some really good maps.
thank you again…after perusing the list on your blog that’s kind of the conclusion i arrived at since they were mostly protestant study bibles. Which commentaries do you like? My parish priest told me that it is important to get a bible you like to read, study notes or not, and get a good commentary to go along with it. Now after killing myself to find a decent all-in-one I tend to agree with him. I have both the N/JB bibles, which I tend to use quite a bit because they are easy to read and are probably the best all inclusive (Catholic) bibles around with decent notes, but the translation bugs me out sometimes. I also have the Haydock that I use but I have some trouble with the DR translatio–mostly the odd names, numbering, and book names–the text isn’t so bad as I love the KJV and the commentary is excellent but it can be a chore sometimes. I bought the New Jerome Commentary but it is not what I am looking for…it doesn’t have a whole lot of useful commentary and cross refs, or explanations of original languages when it should. I have several protestant study bibles that just blow the socks off of Catholic ones, but some of the study notes can’t be trusted. DO you happen to know if the Pope actually uses the N/RSV or is that what the editors/translators use when they publish or read his material? I figure if Vatican uses them they must be ok…the NRSV gets very little “press time” here…I wonder why?
 
after looking at your site and the links you provide for the different nrsv bibles I have one question…why don’t these bibles have cross references? Only the one you noted that you use does but it is a little too $$ for me right now, as I recently was laid off. It looks like a great bible but a little too pricey. Any others that you know of that are still in print?
 
I do not see much discussion pertaining to the NRSV on this forum so I figured I would start one. Maybe it is not worth discussing but let’s give it a try. I am not familiar with this translation at all so I am completely unbiased. In my research, I have found that it is cited in many documents found on the Vatican website and was used in the CCC. Aside from the inclusive language that fire so many people up on here, what else is wrong with it? It is used in Canada if I am not mistaken and is apparently used by some in the Vatican so it can’t be all that bad. I would think that an update of the RSV would be a good thing. Plus if the layout has been improved it would be even better…let’s face it…the RSV, while a decent translation, lacks a decent formatting making it almost unreadable–even the RSV-2CE. Plus, the RSV does not offer a single volume study bible with good notes and cross-refs. Does the NRSV have a better format and are any decent study bibles offer in this translation? How is it in terms of literal accuracy?

You folks can get pretty fired up over bible translations so let em fly!! 😃
I would personally stay away from the NRSV and if you wanted something on from its family I would recommend you read the RSV-CE. I know I was the least likely person to recommend the RSV-CE, but the inclusive language that the NRSV has doesn’t cut it for me. I still recommend the D-R over anything else though
 
after looking at your site and the links you provide for the different nrsv bibles I have one question…why don’t these bibles have cross references? Only the one you noted that you use does but it is a little too $$ for me right now, as I recently was laid off. It looks like a great bible but a little too pricey. Any others that you know of that are still in print?
Swampboy,

I am not sure why some of these NRSV editions don’t have cross-references. It is a real mystery to me. Sometimes, I think publishers rely on adding a concise concordance to a Bible, which most ot the NRSV’s have included, instead of doing some simple cross-references of OT passages in the NT.

In regards to the NJB, like you, I do enjoy the notes and the layout, however, there are just some renderings that bug me. They are not necessarily innacurate, but just different. It is also tough for me to use the NJB when I am leading Bible study, since no one uses the NJB in the various Bible studies I lead each week. Most of the young adults I run into are using the NAB, RSV, NRSV, or NIV.

I definitely understand your situation in regards to $$$. The only reason I have that one is because I found a used copy, which was 50% off.

For ones that are in print, you could certainly go with the any of the three NRSV “academic” study Bibles. I think the HarperCollins one is the best. It has the cross-references in the notes, as well as a concise concordance. (I also like the Bible maps.) I own this hardcover edition: amazon.com/HarperCollins-Study-Bible-Revised-Updated/dp/006078685X/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1238765291&sr=8-1

Let me just say that while the notes do tend to lean on the liberal/academic side, I did at least find acknowledgement in certain passages that refer to the Eucharist as well as Mary. Plus it is under $30.00. If you would like a leather edition, Christianbook.com has a wonderful deal on the first edition of the NRSV HarperCollins study Bible which is in Genuine leather: christianbook.com/Christian/Books/product?item_no=65679&netp_id=107974&event=ESRCN&item_code=WW&view=covers
This edition is a little older, but it has much the same study tools as the newer edition, minus a concordance.
 
thank you again…after perusing the list on your blog that’s kind of the conclusion i arrived at since they were mostly protestant study bibles. Which commentaries do you like? My parish priest told me that it is important to get a bible you like to read, study notes or not, and get a good commentary to go along with it. Now after killing myself to find a decent all-in-one I tend to agree with him. I have both the N/JB bibles, which I tend to use quite a bit because they are easy to read and are probably the best all inclusive (Catholic) bibles around with decent notes, but the translation bugs me out sometimes. I also have the Haydock that I use but I have some trouble with the DR translatio–mostly the odd names, numbering, and book names–the text isn’t so bad as I love the KJV and the commentary is excellent but it can be a chore sometimes. I bought the New Jerome Commentary but it is not what I am looking for…it doesn’t have a whole lot of useful commentary and cross refs, or explanations of original languages when it should. I have several protestant study bibles that just blow the socks off of Catholic ones, but some of the study notes can’t be trusted. DO you happen to know if the Pope actually uses the N/RSV or is that what the editors/translators use when they publish or read his material? I figure if Vatican uses them they must be ok…the NRSV gets very little “press time” here…I wonder why?
I would imagine that the Pope doesn’t use any English language translation at all, since he knows the Greek and Hebrew. For official Church stuff, the Nova Vulgata is probably used, while other translations may be used in works for other languages. I know that when Ignatius Press publishes a book by Pope Benedict/Cardinal Ratzinger, they will use the RSV-CE. Also keep in mind that the Catechism of the Catholic Church, in English, uses both the RSV and NRSV.

Why doesn’t it get much “press time” here? Mostly due to is use of horizontal inclusive language. Some people really hate, while others don’t have a huge problem with it. I find myself in the middle of this debate. I personally will never use a Bible that has vertical inclusive language, like the NAB '91 Psalms or The Inclusive Bible. It distorts too much of the ancient texts, as well as causing some problems in regards to Trinitarian theology.

But, I personally don’t mind horizontal inclusive language, if it is done well. For the most part, I think the NJB does the best job of them all. The NRSV could have done better to follow the NJB’s lead, particularly in its use of “sonship” and its tendancy to pluralize a sentence to make it inclusive. Perhaps in a future revision they might clean it up a bit. However, like I mentioned before, the NRSV supplies textual notes in every NRSV Bible which show when they use inclusive language. So for me, it is a matter of honesty, which the NRSV does. Is it perfect? No, but I tend to like it more and more as I use it in ministry work and prayer.

Also, on a side note, the Douay-Rheims used inclusive language on at least one occasion Matthew 5:9:

DR: “Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.”
Latin Vulgate: “beati pacifici quoniam filii Dei vocabuntur”
NRSV: “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called children of God.”
RSV: “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God.”

The Greek word is huioi which means sons.
The Latin word is
filii
which means sons.
 
Swampboy,

I am not sure why some of these NRSV editions don’t have cross-references. It is a real mystery to me. Sometimes, I think publishers rely on adding a concise concordance to a Bible, which most ot the NRSV’s have included, instead of doing some simple cross-references of OT passages in the NT.

In regards to the NJB, like you, I do enjoy the notes and the layout, however, there are just some renderings that bug me. They are not necessarily innacurate, but just different. It is also tough for me to use the NJB when I am leading Bible study, since no one uses the NJB in the various Bible studies I lead each week. Most of the young adults I run into are using the NAB, RSV, NRSV, or NIV.

I definitely understand your situation in regards to $$$. The only reason I have that one is because I found a used copy, which was 50% off.

For ones that are in print, you could certainly go with the any of the three NRSV “academic” study Bibles. I think the HarperCollins one is the best. It has the cross-references in the notes, as well as a concise concordance. (I also like the Bible maps.) I own this hardcover edition: amazon.com/HarperCollins-Study-Bible-Revised-Updated/dp/006078685X/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1238765291&sr=8-1

Let me just say that while the notes do tend to lean on the liberal/academic side, I did at least find acknowledgement in certain passages that refer to the Eucharist as well as Mary. Plus it is under $30.00. If you would like a leather edition, Christianbook.com has a wonderful deal on the first edition of the NRSV HarperCollins study Bible which is in Genuine leather: christianbook.com/Christian/Books/product?item_no=65679&netp_id=107974&event=ESRCN&item_code=WW&view=covers
This edition is a little older, but it has much the same study tools as the newer edition, minus a concordance.
Thanks again for your help. I went to a few bookstores today and looked at a bunch of the NRSV’s including the New Oxford and New Interpreters Study Bibles, as well as a bunch of text only versions. I could not find the Harper Collins edition. I am not overly impressed with the layout of any of them to tell you the truth…they don’t have any x-refs as we already discussed and the layout and construction aren’t that good. I am very interested in taking a peak at the translation, but I think I may be better served by the new ESV with apocrypha that updates the RSV without any inclusive language. What is your take on the ESV…again I think it is a pretty bare bones bible (i.e. no x-refs) but it is supposed to be an excellent translation…kind of a readable NASB. Plus it is pretty close to the RSV so the NRSV concordance would likely work. What do you use for commentaries? Thanks in advance.
 
Thanks again for your help. I went to a few bookstores today and looked at a bunch of the NRSV’s including the New Oxford and New Interpreters Study Bibles, as well as a bunch of text only versions. I could not find the Harper Collins edition. I am not overly impressed with the layout of any of them to tell you the truth…they don’t have any x-refs as we already discussed and the layout and construction aren’t that good. I am very interested in taking a peak at the translation, but I think I may be better served by the new ESV with apocrypha that updates the RSV without any inclusive language. What is your take on the ESV…again I think it is a pretty bare bones bible (i.e. no x-refs) but it is supposed to be an excellent translation…kind of a readable NASB. Plus it is pretty close to the RSV so the NRSV concordance would likely work. What do you use for commentaries? Thanks in advance.
As for the ESV, with Apocrypha, you can read my views here: catholicbibles.blogspot.com/search?q=ESV
I spent quite a few posts on it. You can scroll down and get my overall impression.

As for commentaries, I pick and choose ones that are useful to me as well as picking ones that have been recommended by professors and others who lead Bible study. I certainly have a number of the Ignatius Study Bible commentaries, as well as a few Navarre ones. But I also have some that are not done by Catholics, but are good nevertheless. Of the top of my head, I own a fine commentary on the Gospel of John by Whitacre, a very good overview of the Pauline letters by Gorman called “The Apostle of the Crucified Lord”, NT Wright’s “Colossians and Philemon”, Metzger’s commentary on Revelation, as well as others. There are a number of good ones out there, both Catholic and Protestant, but you need to do a little research to see if each volume is worth getting. This particular goes for some of the commentary series out there, like the Anchor Bible Commentary and the Sacra Pagina series.
 
As for the ESV, with Apocrypha, you can read my views here: catholicbibles.blogspot.com/search?q=ESV
I spent quite a few posts on it. You can scroll down and get my overall impression.

As for commentaries, I pick and choose ones that are useful to me as well as picking ones that have been recommended by professors and others who lead Bible study. I certainly have a number of the Ignatius Study Bible commentaries, as well as a few Navarre ones. But I also have some that are not done by Catholics, but are good nevertheless. Of the top of my head, I own a fine commentary on the Gospel of John by Whitacre, a very good overview of the Pauline letters by Gorman called “The Apostle of the Crucified Lord”, NT Wright’s “Colossians and Philemon”, Metzger’s commentary on Revelation, as well as others. There are a number of good ones out there, both Catholic and Protestant, but you need to do a little research to see if each volume is worth getting. This particular goes for some of the commentary series out there, like the Anchor Bible Commentary and the Sacra Pagina series.
I read your reviews…nice work by the way…and have a pretty decent handle on the 3 translations you reviewed. I use the RSV-2CE now and find it to be pretty decent save the lack of any notes or other study helps. However, after reviewing your analyses it would appear as if I should pick up a cheap copy of the NRSV just to have for comparison purposes. The ESV looks as if it is more of an update rather than a major revision of the RSV–I have an electronic copy on my iphone and do read it every once in a while…while it reads a little smoother it is not a major revision. I am interested in looking at renderings based upon some of the different scrolls that have been discovered…that fascinates me a great deal. I saw a cheap Oxford copy in the book store that I think Amazon has for 1/2 the price. I think I will pick that up and see if I like it…if I do maybe I will pick up that $100leather bound one you use!! Thanks.
 
Swampboy,

The closest you will get in regards to the RSV, until the Ignatius Study Bible is complete, is the Oxford Annotated Study Bible: christianbook.com/Christian/Books/product?item_no=8335X&netp_id=108868&event=ESRCN&item_code=WW&view=covers

They still publish it in hardcover as well. I hope that Ignatius Press hurries up a bit on their Ignatius Study Bible, but we shall see.

I recently was reviewing, on my blog, the various premium leather Bibles out there that Catholics could use. There are three NRSV study Bible options to choose from, each have their positives and negatives. They also come in harback as well. But if you want to take a look, here you go: catholicbibles.blogspot.com/2009/03/premium-leather-bible-round-up.html
have you ever taken a look at or reviewed “The Catholic Youth Bible” in the NRSV edition? If not you can look at nearly the entire thing here:
books.google.com/books?id=UBMVQFNSb5AC&printsec=frontcover&dq=new+revised+standard+version&lr=&ei=QQnZSeKSN4WKygS5vP21CQ#PPA1423,M1

If so, what are your thoughts? It kind of looks like it is put together quite well…and although it is geared towards a younger audience, it has some pretty neat features that would be useful for adults. Just curious…I kind of like the layout and may pick one up.
 
have you ever taken a look at or reviewed “The Catholic Youth Bible” in the NRSV edition? If not you can look at nearly the entire thing here:
books.google.com/books?id=UBMVQFNSb5AC&printsec=frontcover&dq=new+revised+standard+version&lr=&ei=QQnZSeKSN4WKygS5vP21CQ#PPA1423,M1

If so, what are your thoughts? It kind of looks like it is put together quite well…and although it is geared towards a younger audience, it has some pretty neat features that would be useful for adults. Just curious…I kind of like the layout and may pick one up.
I plan to look at that some time in the near future. Like you, I think it looks like it is put together pretty well. But, I haven’t really had a good chance to look through it or even pick one up yet.
 
The NRSV BIBLE is a great resource. nrsvbible.brighterplanet.org I love it! It is great for new believers as well as seasoned saints. I am a Pastor and I recommend it to everyone who wants to know more about Jesus.
The NRSV Bible is a MUST HAVE for every modern day Christian!
 
The NRSV BIBLE is a great resource. http://nrsvbible.brighterplanet.org I love it! It is great for new believers as well as seasoned saints. I am a Pastor and I recommend it to everyone who wants to know more about Jesus.
The NRSV Bible is a MUST HAVE for every modern day Christian!
 
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