New translation - rite of Confirmation

[Corki]

I am a Confirmation catechist and was asked a question about the Confirmation rite. The diocisan guidelines state that after the confirmand is annointed, the Bishop will say “Peace be with you” and the confirmand is to respond “and also with you”. The question was whether the response will change to “and with your Spirit”. Anyone know?

 

[Matthew_Holford]

I don’t know the answer but I think it’s a really interesting question. Do the improved vernacular translations apply to the Mass only? Can the revised translations be extended to other liturgies?

 

[Corki]

Well, Matt,

I guess we aren’t the only ones who don’t know the answer.

 

[YoungTradCath]

“Peace be with you” isn’t just used at confirmation. It’s used by all bishops, always, instead of, “The Lord be with you,” as is used by priests and occasionally deacons. “Peace be with you” is one thing that is not changing this Advent.

Now, we all know that the Missale Romanum translation is changing at the start of Advent. Contained within that edition, bishops still say, “Peace be with you,” as they say right now with our current translation. In the new translation, the response to the bishops’, “Peace be with you,” is our, “And with your spirit,” which is also rendered to the priests’, “The Lord be with you.” Therefore, logically, this, “And with your spirit,” because it will be used at mass very soon, it should also be used during confirmations.

I hope this makes sense.

 

[Corki]

“Peace be with you” isn’t just used at confirmation. It’s used by all bishops, always, instead of, “The Lord be with you,” as is used by priests and occasionally deacons. “Peace be with you” is one thing that is not changing this Advent.

Now, we all know that the Missale Romanum translation is changing at the start of Advent. Contained within that edition, bishops still say, “Peace be with you,” as they say right now with our current translation. In the new translation, the response to the bishops’, “Peace be with you,” is our, “And with your spirit,” which is also rendered to the priests’, “The Lord be with you.” Therefore, logically, this, “And with your spirit,” because it will be used at mass very soon, it should also be used during confirmations.

I hope this makes sense.

That makes sense but do you have a reference for it changing this Advent? Not everything is changing at the same time.

 

[YoungTradCath]

That makes sense but do you have a reference for it changing this Advent? Not everything is changing at the same time.

A reference for what, specifically? The only change I mentioned was the, “And with your spirit.” It’s common knowledge that that’s changing at Advent.

 

[Corki]

A reference for what, specifically? The only change I mentioned was the, “And with your spirit.” It’s common knowledge that that’s changing at Advent.

Yes, it’s changing in the Mass. I am looking for a reference that it’s changing in the Rite of Confirmation. The Rite of Confirmation is usually (but not always) celebrated during Mass. The question is whether there is a new translation for the Rite of Confirmation yet.

While it is logical that it would change at the same time, it isn’t automatic that it would do so. The rites for the Sacraments and the blessings may be on a different timetable.

 

[YoungTradCath]

Yes, it’s changing in the Mass. I am looking for a reference that it’s changing in the Rite of Confirmation. The Rite of Confirmation is usually (but not always) celebrated during Mass. The question is whether there is a new translation for the Rite of Confirmation yet.

While it is logical that it would change at the same time, it isn’t automatic that it would do so. The rites for the Sacraments and the blessings may be on a different timetable.

The commonality here, on which it hinges, is the bishop’s greeting. The response is changing. Would we answer, “And with your spirit,” during mass, outside of mass when a blessing is imparted, and other occasions, but make a special throwback, “And also with you,” during confirmation? I don’t think so. You can find a reference if you want, because I don’t have one. Perhaps you should ask your priest, or call the office of the diocesan bishop and ask him or the vicar.

 

[TrueLight]

The commonality here, on which it hinges, is the bishop’s greeting. The response is changing. Would we answer, “And with your spirit,” during mass, outside of mass when a blessing is imparted, and other occasions, but make a special throwback, “And also with you,” during confirmation? I don’t think so. You can find a reference if you want, because I don’t have one. Perhaps you should ask your priest, or call the office of the diocesan bishop and ask him or the vicar.

You know you sound curt right?

 

[YoungTradCath]

You know you sound curt right?

I do, yes. I’m having a curt day. I just can’t make my answer any clearer.

 

[Matthew_Holford]

The commonality here, on which it hinges, is the bishop’s greeting. The response is changing. Would we answer, “And with your spirit,” during mass, outside of mass when a blessing is imparted, and other occasions, but make a special throwback, “And also with you,” during confirmation? I don’t think so. You can find a reference if you want, because I don’t have one. Perhaps you should ask your priest, or call the office of the diocesan bishop and ask him or the vicar.

It does not follow that because the wording of the Mass has changed that the wording of any other liturgy has changed. There are processes to go through before the wording of any liturgy is changed. What is being asked in this post is has the response “And also with you”, which has been changed in the Mass, also been changed to “And with your spirit” for other liturgies, e.g. confirmation? If the change has only been approved for Mass it won’t have changed in other liturgies. It isn’t as simple as saying because it has changed for the Mass ergo it has changed for other liturgies. Some reference would need to be had to a document showing that a generic change has been made. Another thing to bear in mind is that in non-English vernaculars the response was always “And with your spirit” in whatever language. Your logic would mean that it would have been the same in English and, of course, it wasn’t.

 

[YoungTradCath]

It does not follow that because the wording of the Mass has changed that the wording of any other liturgy has changed. There are processes to go through before the wording of any liturgy is changed. What is being asked in this post is has the response “And also with you”, which has been changed in the Mass, also been changed to “And with your spirit” for other liturgies, e.g. confirmation? If the change has only been approved for Mass it won’t have changed in other liturgies. It isn’t as simple as saying because it has changed for the Mass ergo it has changed for other liturgies. Some reference would need to be had to a document showing that a generic change has been made. Another thing to bear in mind is that in non-English vernaculars the response was always “And with your spirit” in whatever language. Your logic would mean that it would have been the same in English and, of course, it wasn’t.

I understand completely what you’re saying, and I even thought about it before I posted. My habit on these forums is to post whatever most supports my main opinion and not mention whatever other information there is.