Nicene and Apostles Creed

  • Thread starter Thread starter concerneduser
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
C

concerneduser

Guest
How often do we say the Nicene Creed, and how about the Apostles Creed? Do we say both every sunday?? I think we do, but I just want to double check. Thanks
 
concerneduser said:
How often do we say the Nicene Creed, and how about the Apostles Creed? Do we say both every sunday?? I think we do, but I just want to double check. Thanks
Click to expand...
Been to Mass lately? Can’t speak for any other country but here in the US we say one of them during Mass. The Nicene Creed is the norm for Mass but the Apostles Creed may be used for Masses with children. I think that’s the rubric but someone will come along and correct me if it’s wrong and I won’t mind.
 
Ha, yep I’ve been to mass lately but forget which I say (or both!). It’s similar to not knowing the creed by heart, but then once everyone starts it off you all of a sudden remember it?. And I remember saying both recently. I don’t know why.
 
Different Conferences of Bishops have different norms for the Creed. In the US, the Nicene Creed is recited. In Canada, I hear that the Apostles’ Creed is more usually used.

The Creed is recited on Sundays, Solemnities, and (maybe) Feasts. It can be omitted for sufficient reason (like if a baptism is taking place, which includes a renewal of the baptismal vows by the congregation, because the baptismal vows are creedal in nature).
 
In the United States:

The Creed is prayed on Sundays and solemnities, and may be said on other important local feasts (like the patronal feast of the parish for example).

Only the Nicene Creed may be used at Mass. The Apostles Creed may only be used at “children’s Masses” which are Masses in which the congregation is mostly children under the age of reason.

If there’s a baptism during Mass, we pray the Apostles Creed as part of the baptism rite, and so the Nicene Creed after the Gospel/homily is not done because that would be redundant and repetitive.

In the near future, when the upcoming revision of the Mass is made official for use, this will change (apparently, since we’re dealing with something in the future). The Apostles Creed will be optional at all Masses, and even (might) be recommended when parts of the RCIA are celebrated at Mass.
 
Speaking of the Nicene and Apostles Creed–I was recently looking at the USCCB site that deals with the new translation of the Mass. They have a nice side by side chart of examples of old and new.

The “new” version of the Apostles Creed is almost exactly what I learned as a child in the 1950s. 🙂 (We used Holy Ghost in those days, not Holy Spirit. And from whence instead of from there he will come to judge)
 
japhy said:
Different Conferences of Bishops have different norms for the Creed. In the US, the Nicene Creed is recited. In Canada, I hear that the Apostles’ Creed is more usually used.

.
Click to expand...
Yes, the Apostles’ Creed has been more commonly used in Canada for many years. In my experience we have only said the Nicene Creed for the Mass at Christmas and Pentecost.
Not to highjack this thread but I have a question about the use of either of the two Creeds from the time before Vatican II. I had assumed that since the Nicene Creed is the only one used in the old Missal,( my St. Joseph’s Daily Missal and my old Confraternity one at any rate), the Apostles’ Creed would never have been used for any Masses. However, not long ago I found stuck in the back of the St. Joseph’s Missal, three small Mass booklets form the neighbouring Archdiocese to the one I grew up in. One of the booklets was from the first Mass of a newly ordained priest ( and I do remember attending that Mass with my parents) and the other two were for a regular Sunday Mass. The dates of the three booklets were June 4, 1961 the Solemnity of Corpus Christi, August 7, 1960 and June 2, 1963 Pentecost Sunday. These booklets contained the entire Mass for those days ( English and Latin) including the Readings and in all three, only the Apostles’ Creed is used. Even the standing/kneeling postures for the congregation is somewhat different form those used in the St. Joseph’s Missal.
Now I realize that the St. Joseph’s Missal was printed in the U.S. but it was what I used since there was no Missal printed just for Canada that I was aware of back then. Perhaps in my own Archdiocese we did indeed have Masses said according to those found in the small booklets. It’s too long ago to remember. My question then is when did Rome begin allowing different countries or even different dioceses to use whichever of the Creeds they chose? This appears to fly in the face of the notion that the TLM was always exactly the same no matter where one went in the world.
 
Hey Another Mary, (or anyone else who can answer this for me). When are those changes going into effect??? I’m used to the version we have now. But I suppose that once you move to vernacular, you lose some you get some and therefore we now have to change the mass once again. (Personally I think it should be in Latin and never changed, yet our shrinking church would be half the size by today!) --So you win (or rather simply keep) some people, but you loose some core,
 
concerneduser said:
Hey Another Mary, (or anyone else who can answer this for me). When are those changes going into effect???
Click to expand...
Answer is here.

In part (from above link):
The text of the Order of Mass (confirmed by the Holy See in June, 2008) has been released as a text for study and formation, but is not intended for liturgical use; that is to say it cannot be used in the celebration of the Mass. The intention of the Congregation for Divine Worship and of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops is to enable and encourage a process of preparation and catechesis for both priests and the faithful, as well as to make the texts available to composers of liturgical music who can begin to set the texts, especially the acclamations, to music in anticipation of the implementation of the texts for liturgical use. It is hoped that when the time comes to use the texts in the celebration of the Mass, priests will be properly trained, the faithful will have an understanding and appreciation of what is being prayed, and musical settings of the liturgical texts will be readily available. The revised translation of the Order of Mass will be permitted only when the complete text of the Roman Missal (third edition) is promulgated.
Click to expand...
 
Here in the Philippines we only say the Apostles Creed and never the Nicene Creed.
You should bear in mind that the GIRM only states the Creed must be said. It does not specify which one.
 
thistle said:
You should bear in mind that the GIRM only states the Creed must be said. It does not specify which one.
Click to expand...
Well, technically the GIRM assumes the Nicene Creed will be used: “The Creed is sung or recited by the priest together with the people (cf. above, no. 68) with everyone standing. At the words et incarnatus est (by the power of the Holy Spirit . . . became man) all make a profound bow…” (GIRM 137) The Apostles’ Creed uses the phrase “conceptus est de Spiritu Sanctu, natus ex…”

But the new Latin Missal does allow for either Creed to be used, it is true.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top