Nicene creed differences in OCP?

[porthos11]

I don’t get the purpose of the arguments. The OP posted a version of the Creed from the OCP hymnals claiming that it was different from the “other” sites?

The thing is, it does appear to be the presently approved English translation, so what’s the problem and what “differences” are the OP referring to?

 

[benedictgal]

I don’t get the purpose of the arguments. The OP posted a version of the Creed from the OCP hymnals claiming that it was different from the “other” sites?

The thing is, it does appear to be the presently approved English translation, so what’s the problem and what “differences” are the OP referring to?

Is it possible that perhaps some creative “genius”, and I use the word very lightly here, decided to set the Nicene Creed to music and amend some of the wording? Christopher Walker did it with his sappy, clappy Gloria, paraphrasing it to the point that the only recognizable part of the prayer was the refrain, and that had a horrid tune to it. After I left the diocesan liturgical commission, the lawyers used that setting for the Red Mass and it was really bad (the setting I had picked was from A Community Mass, which is really lovely and is sung straight through).

Bob Hurd also did it with the Agnus Dei from his Missa del Pueblo Immigrante. He didn’t change the words, but he lumped everything together (ten piedad de nosotros, danos la paz; which in English would read: have mercy on us, grant us peace. This was all done in the same line, four times ).

Therefore, if this is, in fact, what OCP has done, it’s par for the course as far as they are concerned.

 

[Brendan]

BTW, I think the original Nicene Creed is in Greek. (Though I suspect the ICEL translates from the Latin translation of that creed)

tee

Nope, the Nicean documents were promulgated in both Latin and Greek as they both came directly from the Council.

So it is Original in both languages.

 

[Phemie]

I don’t get the purpose of the arguments. The OP posted a version of the Creed from the OCP hymnals claiming that it was different from the “other” sites?

The thing is, it does appear to be the presently approved English translation, so what’s the problem and what “differences” are the OP referring to?

The OP was comparing ICEL’s translation, which he didn’t seem to know was the official English translation in the Sacramentary, with the translation of the Creed found on the New Advent ‘Catholic Encyclopedia’ site – a translation much more faithful to the Latin.

From what I’ve read about the new translation I think we’ll see something closer to the Catholic Encyclopedia translation than to the ICEL translation when the new Roman Missal is finally printed.

 

[peregrinus_sg]

There are 2 official translations of the Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed in English presently. The one translated by ICEL and used in the US, and another modified by the UK Conference for use in their regions. There are a few changes:

We believe in one God,
the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all that is, seen and unseen.

We believe in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
eternally begotten of the father;
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made, of one being with the Father.
Through him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation
he came down from heaven:

by the power of the Holy Spirit
he became incarnate from the Virgin Mary, and was made man.

For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate,
He suffered death and was buried.
On the third day He rose again
in accordance with the Scriptures;
he ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.

He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,
and his kingdom will have no end.

We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son,
With the Father and the Son is worshiped and glorified.
He has spoken through the prophets.
We believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church.
We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
We look for the resurrection of the dead,
And the life of the world to come. Amen.

Cardinal Pell alluded to the fact that there is not one single text of the Creed sometime back, and he hoped that the new translation of the Roman Missal will rectify that problem.