Nicene Creed Omitted?

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How great of an abuse is it if the Nicene Creed is not proclaimed during a Sunday Mass? For example, if a priest after finishing the homily, starts to pray for the dead rather than to say the Nicene Creed as I believe required for Sunday?

I think it was mentioned before, and if so I apoligize. I did a search and really couldn’t find what I was looking for. Thanks.
 
since it is a required part of the Mass, then IMHO, it is a serious abuse… no matter what the “pastoral reasons” are for omitting it:(

is this something done on a regular basis…or a one time only thing?
 
It was done this one time, but there were let’s just say other stuff that was questionable going on. I found some articles regarding how the Creed must be said on Sunday’s and Holy days of obligation and it answered some of my questions. It was a PDF file about three pages long and if I find it, I’ll post it for reference.

Honestly, with the abuses in Liturgy in this Diocese are so great, it looks like I’m going to have to attend an Eastern Rite Mass until the Latin Rite abuses are settled. I look forward to attending the Maronite Rite and hopefully the Byzantine Rite as well.
 
Actually the real answer is it depends. The Nicene Creed may be omitted from Sunday Mass if there is a baptism celebration during Mass or if it is a Mass where the faithful renew their baptismal promises. Also one of the RCIA scutinies has a provision for dropping the Nicene Creed.

Also it is possible the priest forgot. It does happen once and awhile. The Mass is still valid, just illicit. If the priest does it more then once bring it to his attention. If this doesn’t work, bring it up with the pastor, then the bishop.
 
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Voice_Of_Reason:
How great of an abuse is it if the Nicene Creed is not proclaimed during a Sunday Mass? For example, if a priest after finishing the homily, starts to pray for the dead rather than to say the Nicene Creed as I believe required for Sunday?

I think it was mentioned before, and if so I apoligize. I did a search and really couldn’t find what I was looking for. Thanks.
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was at a PCAL meeting with the bishop a few weeks ago… they are talking now in Rome about going back the the Apostles Creed on sundays instead of the Nicene Creed…

what do you think?
 
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Marauder:
Actually the real answer is it depends. The Nicene Creed may be omitted from Sunday Mass if there is a baptism celebration during Mass or if it is a Mass where the faithful renew their baptismal promises. Also one of the RCIA scutinies has a provision for dropping the Nicene Creed.

Also it is possible the priest forgot. It does happen once and awhile. The Mass is still valid, just illicit. If the priest does it more then once bring it to his attention. If this doesn’t work, bring it up with the pastor, then the bishop.
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marauder, what would be the circumstance where the faithful “renew their baptismal promises” if there is no baptism going on… our priest does this every once in a while for no apparent reason that i can tell other than he wants to shave 30 seconds or so off the time it takes to say the Creed

SG…personally i perfer the Nicene Creed to the Apostles Creed…seems to be much more complete in terms of what we believe
 
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faithfulservant:
marauder, what would be the circumstance where the faithful “renew their baptismal promises” if there is no baptism going on… our priest does this every once in a while for no apparent reason that i can tell other than he wants to shave 30 seconds or so off the time it takes to say the Creed
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First off, so you can see I am not in left field with the “baptismal promises” exception. Here is a link to a place on the EWTN site that answers whether the Nicene creed can be omitted.

The renewal of baptismal promises can obviously happen during a Baptism, but it can also take place for other reasons. Most commonly during the Easter season. I personally don’t see it that often outside the Easter season, but I don’t think it is prohibitted.
 
Doesn’t sound like this happened at your mass, but I believe the celebrant has the option of using the Apostles Creed rather than the Nicene - I was at a mass where this happened a few months ago.

I don’t like the Apostles Creed as well, but I think it was good to have to read it out of the missalette for a change, rather than just recite the Nicene by rote.
 
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digitonomy:
Doesn’t sound like this happened at your mass, but I believe the celebrant has the option of using the Apostles Creed rather than the Nicene - I was at a mass where this happened a few months ago.
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Actually the Apostles Creed is only supposed to be used if the Mass is a Children’s liturgy. In addition to that you are only supposed to be using the Children’s liturgy if MOST of the people attending the Mass are children.

Although I am not sure of this, but I have heard that during Lent and Easter you are also allowed to use the Apostle’s Creed. See Here for details.
 
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Marauder:
First off, so you can see I am not in left field with the “baptismal promises” exception. Here is a link to a place on the EWTN site that answers whether the Nicene creed can be omitted.

The renewal of baptismal promises can obviously happen during a Baptism, but it can also take place for other reasons. Most commonly during the Easter season. I personally don’t see it that often outside the Easter season, but I don’t think it is prohibitted.
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i read the Q&A but Fr Serpa just mentioned the renewal of baptism promises w/o expounding on when , other than during a baptism, that could happen…

the only thing i found wrt the topic is RS is this

“69.] In Holy Mass as well as in other celebrations of the Sacred Liturgy, no Creed or Profession of Faith is to be introduced which is not found in the duly approved liturgical books.”

since Father kinda makes his up (the baptismal promise renewal) as he goes along,putting in what he wants…leaving out what he wants… would that not also be considered an abuse based on this statement?
 
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faithfulservant:
since Father kinda makes his up (the baptismal promise renewal) as he goes along,putting in what he wants…leaving out what he wants… would that not also be considered an abuse based on this statement?
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If he is using his own wording and not that this is contained in either the RCIA scrutinies, the baptismal blessings or the reaffirming baptismal blessings, then I believe it would be a liturgical abuse. Except for the Prayers of the Faithful, there isn’t supposed to be improvisation at this point in the Mass.
 
My dad talked to the priest about it. The priest said that the Nicene Creed can by omitted if there is a Mass for the dead. I have never heard that through my readings before the Mass and study after this particular Mass. I think it’s a quick false excuse to get the issue through or the priest is mistaken and he thought that was the way it is. Or am I wrong? Such an excuse is odd to say the least as the week prior (Nov. 6) was the Church’s obvservance for All Saint’s day and the Creed was not ommitted then and thus was OK.

Honestly, with the pomp and circumstance this Mass had with a procession of a Polish flag to the “altar” area, Polish national anthems, girls with Polish dresses on in the procession, and the most ironic thing of all - the priest stating he received his American citizenship prior to the Mass makes me think that some folks take country’s side over God’s side in the church as all this showmanship is more important that the Nicene Creed which is said sunday and Holy days of obligation. Granted, I love America and my ancestral land of Poland, but when I’m going to church I’m going for the sacrifice of the Mass, not for patriotism where that can be found in the secular world through sports, dance, etc. I love the new Mass when done right but when it becomes a circus, then it’s offensive. There’s a time and place for everything. Let Mass be our time with God.
 
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Voice_Of_Reason:
My dad talked to the priest about it. The priest said that the Nicene Creed can by omitted if there is a Mass for the dead. I have never heard that through my readings before the Mass and study after this particular Mass.
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It depends what you are talking about for a “Mass for the dead.” If you are talking about a funeral Mass that was held on a Sunday, then I can see the Creed being left out. I don’t think the Creed is part of the funeral Mass.

If you are talking about a normal Sunday Mass that may be offered for someone, then the Creed would be required except for situations mentioned in earlier posts (baptism, RCIA, etc.)
 
It was a normal sunday Mass. By no means a coffin was in the church.
 
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