no homily

[Kathrin]

Didn’t somebody here once say that for a Saturday vigil amss to count as a Sunday mass, it has to be a mass in the fukll Sunday manner, with intercessions and homily?

Well, we didn’t have a homily today because the priest had a cold or something and couldn’t talk so long.

I asked him and he said of coruse it was ok, mass has to do with Jesus and not the homily.

Would anybody disagree with that?

Kathrin

 

[FrDavid96]

It was still a Sunday Mass, and still fulfilled everyone’s obligations. The absence of a homily or the general intercessions has no bearing on that.

 

[Phemie]

Didn’t somebody here once say that for a Saturday vigil amss to count as a Sunday mass, it has to be a mass in the fukll Sunday manner, with intercessions and homily?

Well, we didn’t have a homily today because the priest had a cold or something and couldn’t talk so long.

I asked him and he said of coruse it was ok, mass has to do with Jesus and not the homily.

Would anybody disagree with that?

Kathrin

No, I wouldn’t disagree. Mass is Mass. It doesn’t matter if there is a homily or not.

Canon Law simply says :Can. 1248 §1. A person who assists at a Mass celebrated anywhere in a Catholic rite either on the feast day itself or in the evening of the preceding day satisfies the obligation of participating in the Mass.

“A” Mass. It need not even be the anticipated Mass of the Sunday, simply ‘a’ Mass. While there should be a homily at all Masses, Mass is no less Mass without one, particularly if the priest is too sick to give one.

 

[Karl_M]

If the priest’s justifaction is that the Mass is about Jesus and not about the homily, that’s sort of like saying, “I can sin all I want, Jesus will forgive me,” and refusing to repent/go to confession.

GIRM 66 states that There is to be a homily on Sundays and holy days of obligation at all Masses that are celebrated with the participation of a congregation.

However, there is a line that says it cannot be omitted without serious reason. I think that’s dangerous territory. What if the priest feels “I don’t feel like it,” or “I want to watch the Wild Card game tonight” is a serious enough reason (both of which I have heard at different times, by the way).

 

[Kathrin]

GIRM 66 states that There is to be a homily on Sundays and holy days of obligation at all Masses that are celebrated with the participation of a congregation.

But is that a rule for the priests who do the masses, simply stating HOW a mass is to be, OR does it go so far as to say a mass doesn’t fulfill the Sunday obligation if there isn’t one?

However, there is a line that says it cannot be omitted without serious reason.

Well, if the reason WAS serious (e.g. illness) does that mean really the congregation SHOULD go to another mass if they in any way can?

 

[FrDavid96]

But is that a rule for the priests who do the masses, simply stating HOW a mass is to be, OR does it go so far as to say a mass doesn’t fulfill the Sunday obligation if there isn’t one?

It simply says that unless the priest has a good reason, there should normally be a homily on Sundays and other Holy Days of Obligation. It has absolutely nothing to do with fulfilling the Sunday obligation.

Well, if the reason WAS serious (e.g. illness) does that mean really the congregation SHOULD go to another mass if they in any way can?

No, not at all. Even if the priest did not have a good reason, it still would not be necessary for anyone to go to another Mass.

 

[Kathrin]

Thanks

 

[tee_eff_em]

Didn’t somebody here once say that for a Saturday vigil amss to count as a Sunday mass, it has to be a mass in the fukll Sunday manner, with intercessions and homily?

Somebody may have said so, but that person would have been mistaken.

tee

 

[PJM]

Didn’t somebody here once say that for a Saturday vigil amss to count as a Sunday mass, it has to be a mass in the fukll Sunday manner, with intercessions and homily?

Well, we didn’t have a homily today because the priest had a cold or something and couldn’t talk so long.

I asked him and he said of coruse it was ok, mass has to do with Jesus and not the homily.

Would anybody disagree with that?

Kathrin

While I do not care for his answer, your still covered on your Mass Obligation.

Vatican II as one of it’s (my personal humble opinion) FRUITS, was the current emphasis on the WORD of God. Which St. John rightly points out in Chapter One of his Gospel, “and the WORD is God!”

I agree with the Magistrium that ignorance of Sacred Scripture, is ignorance of God Himself

 

[Kathrin]

While I do not care for his answer, your still covered on your Mass Obligation.

I THINK I kind of get what he meant though