No man has ever seen God?

[Holly3278]

No man has ever seen God; if we love one another, God abides in us and his love is perfected in us.
(1 John 4:12 RSV-CE)

How does one explain this verse when the Apostles themselves saw Jesus Christ who is both God and Man?

 

[itullian]

I think they could see the human/body part. the transcendental is invisible.

like the eucharist, we see the physical, this world component, but not the transcendental.

just my thoughts.

although Jesus does say, "he who has seen the Son, has seen the Father.
figuratively?

 

[adrift]

I believe that this refers to God the Father.

 

[jcaguon]

The discussions at all levels whether they be the Magisterium or Tradition, we can truthfully say that God in all his glory man has not seen. This face to face with the God who created us, who forgave us, and built the Church is a reward of those people living out the will of God when they are judged to be rewarded in heaven.
Just think, angels who did not accept the will of God were hurled into hell. Although perfect spirits, they chose to ignore God. Surely, though not men, they could see God in all his glory, yet did not choose to be with Him in eternity.

Adam and Eve more likely saw God and still chose to sin. To some degree, the Bible doesnot say to any extent how they saw God, but they did speak to Him and converse with Him

 

[jesus4ever]

If you are talking about GOD the FATHER then I know one women who has seen him, his face heard his voice and sat near him this is no JOKE.

Her name is Mother Eugenia Elisabetta Ravasio and you should find the message that God the father has given her. There was a 10 year investgation and what she experenced is accepted.

The Bishop states after a Canonical Investigation:

'Following the dictates of my soul and my conscience, and with the keenest sense of responsibility to the Church, I declare that supernatural and divine intervention seems to me the only logical and satisfactory explanation of the facts…

I deem it proper to let her continue her work. I believe that the hand of God is in all of this. After ten years of research, reflection and prayer, I bless the Father for having deigned to choose my diocese as the place for such touching manifestations of His love.’

theworkofgod.org/Library/Trinity/Father/Eugenia.htm

please chexck it out it will change the way many of us think of God the father

 

[Holly3278]

If you are talking about GOD the FATHER then I know one women who has seen him, his face heard his voice and sat near him this is no JOKE.

Her name is Mother Eugenia Elisabetta Ravasio and you should find the message that God the father has given her. There was a 10 year investgation and what she experenced is accepted.

The Bishop states after a Canonical Investigation:

'Following the dictates of my soul and my conscience, and with the keenest sense of responsibility to the Church, I declare that supernatural and divine intervention seems to me the only logical and satisfactory explanation of the facts…

I deem it proper to let her continue her work. I believe that the hand of God is in all of this. After ten years of research, reflection and prayer, I bless the Father for having deigned to choose my diocese as the place for such touching manifestations of His love.’

theworkofgod.org/Library/Trinity/Father/Eugenia.htm

please chexck it out it will change the way many of us think of God the father

No offense but how is that possible when God the Father is incorporeal (has no body)?

 

[adrift]

If you are talking about GOD the FATHER then I know one women who has seen him, his face heard his voice and sat near him this is no JOKE.

Her name is Mother Eugenia Elisabetta Ravasio and you should find the message that God the father has given her. There was a 10 year investgation and what she experenced is accepted.

The Bishop states after a Canonical Investigation:

'Following the dictates of my soul and my conscience, and with the keenest sense of responsibility to the Church, I declare that supernatural and divine intervention seems to me the only logical and satisfactory explanation of the facts…

I deem it proper to let her continue her work. I believe that the hand of God is in all of this. After ten years of research, reflection and prayer, I bless the Father for having deigned to choose my diocese as the place for such touching manifestations of His love.’

theworkofgod.org/Library/Trinity/Father/Eugenia.htm

please chexck it out it will change the way many of us think of God the father

Wikipedia states

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Mother Eugenia Ravasio’s messages were approved by Bishop Alexander Caillot of Grenoble,[2] who was mentioned in the messages. Bishop Caillot ordered an investigation, and after ten years issued a letter stating that the messages had a divine nature. In 1988 the messages received the imprimatur of Cardinal Petrus Canisius Van Lierde, Vicar General for the Vatican City State, whose general duties were the administration of daily functions of Vatican City.[3] The imprimatur signified that in the Cardinal’s opinion the messages contain nothing against faith and morals, but not certifying that the messages were received from God the Father. The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith at the Holy See, which is the official authority for approving private revelations on behalf of the Catholic Church has not approved Mother Ravasio’s messages as authentic, nor issued an opinion on them.

As in all other private revelations, Catholics in general are not required to believe the messages of Mother Eugenia Ravasio. The decision about the authenticity of private revelations is left to the conscience of each individual Catholic.[4] Thus despite the approval letter and the imprimatur, some Catholic writers point to a number of specific doctrinal errors within the messages of Mother Eugenia Ravasio.

 

[jcaguon]

This has not reached the level of Catholic approved dogma as in the case of St. Faustina.

It is interesting but at this point it may not be valide throughout the Church, maybe,if it had the approval of the American Synod of Bishops, I would really believe it.

 

[Cristiano]

This has not reached the level of Catholic approved dogma as in the case of St. Faustina.

It is interesting but at this point it may not be valide throughout the Church, maybe,if it had the approval of the American Synod of Bishops, I would really believe it.

The case of St. Faustina is approved as a private revelation but it is not dogma at all. Catholics are not bound to believe it.

 

[jcaguon]

In America, at all the Masses, the Sunday after Easter, it is called Divine Mercy Sunday.

Where have you been my dear brother?

I don’t want to be impetuous but don’t you think this is worthy of belief.

jcaguon

 

[Cristiano]

In America, at all the Masses, the Sunday after Easter, it is called Divine Mercy Sunday.

Where have you been my dear brother?

I don’t want to be impetuous but don’t you think this is worthy of belief.

jcaguon

I think that you are confused about private revelation, devotions, feasts and dogmas. For example the Sacred Heart of Jesus is a devotion and has a feast day 19 days after Pentecost however we do not have specific dogmatic teachings associated with that. Divine Mercy is another devotion with a feast day 7 days after Easter, it is another expression that especially emphasizes the unmitigated love and compassion of Christ towards humanity, it is perfectly consistent with the Sacred Heart but also in this case there is not specific dogma associated with it. The only dogma is that sister Faustina is a saint.

 

[jcaguon]

The dogma of divine mercy is revelant in the feast day. You are presumptous on your part that there is no divine mercy. Who made you a theologian? Have you attended the School of Theology taught by Father Brian Mulladay of O.P.

I suggest you get more seminarian training before we continue this discourse.

Over and out.

jcaguon

 

[feed_me]

Incorrect, The Apostles seen him, in his glory, and in body. I to have seen him twice, in visions of course, in his body, and other stuff, that just reinforces my faith. And Jesus doesn’t look like the artwork you all draw and paint, and sculpt. Looks nothing like the man.

 

[Non_sum_dignus]

I don’t think our brains come with the RAM or processing speed to handle God in His complete, natural state.

 

[Cristiano]

The dogma of divine mercy is revelant in the feast day. You are presumptous on your part that there is no divine mercy. Who made you a theologian? Have you attended the School of Theology taught by Father Brian Mulladay of O.P.

I suggest you get more seminarian training before we continue this discourse.

Over and out.

jcaguon

Please show to me where I indicated that there is not Divine Mercy. On the contrary I put emphasis on the fact that it is well related to the devotion of the Sacred Heart of Christ. Appeal to authority and insults do not add to the argument.