No Priest at Communion

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And it is equally uncharitable for you to put words in my mouth.

I don’t think that restriction of EMHCs is saying “the heck with all of you.” But I certainly don’t see a difference in Protestantism and making efforts to ensure that the “Church is relevant to the world.”
 
Man, you should consider how blessed we all are to have the sacraments at all. When our brothers and sisters are getting murdered on Easter Sunday because of their faith, you want to complain that an aged and semi infirm priest didn’t risk dropping the Eucharist and allowed a Deacon and an EM to distribute communion? Really? have some compassion for the old priest and give thanks to God that he was there to celebrate Mass at all and that no one paid for the faith with their life like they did in Lahore.

Where would you suggest that the parish just magically acquire another priest on Easter Sunday?

Sure it’s licit. Sheesh!
 
Greeneflag said:
And it is equally uncharitable for you to put words in my mouth.

I don’t think that restriction of EMHCs is saying “the heck with all of you.” But I certainly don’t see a difference in Protestantism and making efforts to ensure that the “Church is relevant to the world.”
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It has exactly nothing to do with Protestantism and everything to do with a parish insuring that its members all get the Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity of Our Blessed Lord on Easter Sunday without an accident.

Cut 'em a break…
 
ProVobis said:
Unfortunately externals have now defined our internal faith.
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PV, you have done this to me more than once. If you are going to quote something, please make sure that you are quoting in the correct context. Without my first statement, the second does not really make sense.

Or is that on purpose, so that you can “stir the pot”, in which case, I will add you to my ignore list, as it is getting to be quite tiresome. :mad:
 
Why should I study the works of the church fathers when they put chickens and pigs at the foot of the altar (or at least someone who knows it all once told me)?
 
Oneofthewomen said:
PV, you have done this to me more than once. If you are going to quote something, please make sure that you are quoting in the correct context. Without my first statement, the second does not really make sense.
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It is a combination of what you said and the smilies you offered in response to someone else. I hold nothing personal against you.

And I’m done here.
 
2_RollinStoned said:
It has exactly nothing to do with Protestantism and everything to do with a parish insuring that its members all get the Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity of Our Blessed Lord on Easter Sunday without an accident.
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Yeah, perhaps someday we will have women on the altar consecrate the Blessed Sacrament in Persona Christi also (all in the name of convenience). Perhaps if we just believe in our hearts that it is the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Our Blessed Lord. Yup, not Protestant at all. :confused:
 
2_RollinStoned said:
Man, you should consider how blessed we all are to have the sacraments at all. When our brothers and sisters are getting murdered on Easter Sunday because of their faith, you want to complain that an aged and semi infirm priest didn’t risk dropping the Eucharist and allowed a Deacon and an EM to distribute communion? Really? have some compassion for the old priest and give thanks to God that he was there to celebrate Mass at all and that no one paid for the faith with their life like they did in Lahore.

Where would you suggest that the parish just magically acquire another priest on Easter Sunday?

Sure it’s licit. Sheesh!
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Or murdered on Good Friday.

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3512288/ISIS-carries-Good-Friday-crucifixion-Indian-Catholic-priest-Yemen-kidnapped-three-weeks-ago.html
 
Greeneflag said:
Yeah, perhaps someday we will have women on the altar consecrate the Blessed Sacrament in Persona Christi also (all in the name of convenience). Perhaps if we just believe in our hearts that it is the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Our Blessed Lord. Yup, not Protestant at all. :confused:
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There is absolutely no evidence of any such foolishness as you suggest.

Moreover this has exactly nothing to do with your supposed topic in your IP above, so what’s your point? It looks to me like you jsut want to make baseless and uncharitable allegations with nothing to back them up.

Did you get the Eucharist? Did you get to participate at Mass on Easter Sunday? The what are you :crying: whining, and ranting about?
 
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Yeah, perhaps someday we will have women on the altar consecrate the Blessed Sacrament in Persona Christi also (all in the name of convenience). Perhaps if we just believe in our hearts that it is the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Our Blessed Lord. Yup, not Protestant at all. :confused:
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There is absolutely no evidence of any such foolishness as you suggest.

Moreover this has exactly nothing to do with your supposed topic in your IP above, so what’s your point? It looks to me like you just want to make baseless and uncharitable allegations with nothing to back them up.

Did you get the Eucharist? Did you get to participate at Mass on Easter Sunday? Then what are you :crying: whining, and ranting about?
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Or murdered on Good Friday.

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3512288/ISIS-carries-Good-Friday-crucifixion-Indian-Catholic-priest-Yemen-kidnapped-three-weeks-ago.html
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Yeah, I saw that too. We have it sooo easy here…and some like GF here want to rant about nothing. Seems like this would be a good thread to just abandon since it’s not going anywhere and GF doesn’t want to do anything but uncharitably rant.🤷
 
Well, after much opinionated “blowhardedness” back and forth here. I examined the Norms for the Distribution and Reception of Holy Communion under Both Kinds in the Dioceses of the United States of America ( usccb.org/prayer-and-worship/the-mass/norms-for-holy-communion-under-both-kinds/index.cfm#footnote-26299-39 ) and the GIRM ( usccb.org/prayer-and-worship/the-mass/general-instruction-of-the-roman-missal/girm-chapter-3.cfm ).

It appears that every mass must have an Ordinary Minister of the Eucharist, which would be a priest or deacon, to administer Communion. The priest is the Ordinary Minister because he “…returns [to the faithful] the very Body and Blood of Christ, as from the hands of Christ himself.” If the priest is unable to perform this duty he must call on a deacon or depute laypeople (such as the EMHCs) to distribute the Communion.

BUT “after the Priest, the Deacon, in virtue of the sacred Ordination he has received, holds first place among those who minister in the celebration of the Eucharist.”

Therefore, the priest, if he was physically unable to give the communion, was not doing anything illicit by sitting it out. But it seems the Deacon should have been giving the Communion instead of the EMHC.
 
Greeneflag said:
This Easter Sunday Mass at my parish the celebrating priest sat down at his chair and let an EMHC take his place to serve Communion. He didn’t attempt to come down to serve; he immediately gave the responsibility to the EMHC. There was a Deacon co-celebrating; and he held the wine. Is this licit?

This priest is in his 80s and he does tremble somewhat. But shouldn’t the parish have a second priest assisting? Or would it be better for the Deacon to serve the Communion?
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I’m not sure what the issue is. Holy Communion under the species of wine is not different substantially than Holy Communion under the species of bread. Indeed, in the document you yourself quoted:
At Mass the Deacon has his own part in proclaiming the Gospel, from time to time in preaching God’s Word, in announcing the intentions of the Universal Prayer, in ministering to the Priest, in preparing the altar and in serving the celebration of the Sacrifice, in distributing the Eucharist to the faithful, especially under the species of wine,
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I’m really not sure what the issue is here.
 
Greeneflag said:
Therefore, the priest, if he was physically unable to give the communion, was not doing anything illicit by sitting it out. But it seems the Deacon should have been giving the Communion instead of the EMHC.
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The deacon was distributing Communion in the form of wine, from the cup.
 
Greeneflag said:
BUT “after the Priest, the Deacon, in virtue of the sacred Ordination he has received, holds first place among those who minister in the celebration of the Eucharist.”

Therefore, the priest, if he was physically unable to give the communion, was not doing anything illicit by sitting it out. But it seems the Deacon should have been giving the Communion instead of the EMHC.
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The Deacon WAS giving Communion. You don’t happen to like the fact that he was giving from the Chalice, rather than from the Ciborium.
 
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