Not fitting in with Catholics

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Domiy said:
I’m about to say something that you might find even more unsettling then;

One cannot be a good person without Jesus.

Any strong Catholic would agree with that. As Catholics, we don’t believe in anything. To believe implies that there are other alternatives and you are simply going by the one you feel surest about. That is blasphemy and ridiculous. There is nothing else. Jesus is our Lord and Savior. The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob who led Moses and his people out of Egypt is the Creator and father of all, including love and morals. None of that is something we believe; it’s something we accept and conform to as truth. Just like gravity; you don’t believe in gravity, you know it exists! Therefore, you adhere to what it says about dropping an egg over your brand new rug.

I’ve dealt with tons of atheists ranging from those who like to consider themselves good people, to those who do what they can to discredit religion. Sure, they all claim that they have morals. Hey, I don’t exactly deny that. I’m sure they throw a coin in the charity jar once in a while, maybe open the door for the elderly or something. That’s all swell. But I’d love to see them practice true love. You know, the kind of love that Jesus showed for his attackers. The kind of love Catholics are supposed to show by forgiving and praying for those who hate them. The kindness that an atheist practices is conditional; they expect to be shown compassion or understanding in return, and they practice it out of happiness or satisfaction. Take those things away, and you’d be surprised at how much things change. If you can’t love Jesus, a sinless, compassionate and heartfelt man, how can you love another sinner? Jesus is love. It doesn’t exist without Him. I suggest you read John 3:20 and surrounding passages to see what Jesus thinks about atheists who claim to be good.
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Oh, wow. Okay. I just really wanted to address the bolded. I’m sorry, but you have no way of getting every single atheist’s (or agnostic’s/muslim’s/jew’s/hindu’s) head to know that “the kindness [they] practice is conditional.” It’s a ridiculous and extremely generalizing claim to make that all non-Christians view kindness as transactional or conditional. The writings of non-Christians who also happen to be humanitarians or philantrophists would go against your worldview. Off the top of my head, the ephebic and hypocratic oaths, two statements to provide service without condition out of a sense of the greater good, were created with pagan overtones.

Furthermore, I’m not disagreeing with you in saying love doesn’t exist without Jesus. But I would disagree that God is completely absent from the lives of those who don’t believe in Him. By the logic of what you just posted, people who’ve either been led astray, or hurt enough by the imperfections of the church to leave, or who’ve been raised outside of the Faith just switch on/off on their ability to love. Oh, and the Good Samaritan story.

Anyway, you already sound dead set in your ways. I don’t fully expect you to respect any of what I said, and I wouldn’t be surprised if you just blew me off as a baaaaad Catholic or something for disagreeing with you. I just had to respond because what you said sounded so condescending, closed-minded, and perhaps hateful. The capacity to love and have compassion is part of what makes us human, and atheists are just as human as you and me.

Besides, I’ve dealt with tooons of Christians who like to consider themselves good people, ranging from those who consider themselves good Christians to those who don’t do all they can to follow their faith. Sure, they all claim they have morals. Hey, I don’t exactly deny that. I’m sure they throw a coin in the charity jar once in a while, maybe open the door for the elderly or something. That’s all swell. The kindness that most of them practice is conditional; they expect to be rewarded by God, either through good fortune on earth or through avoiding a lake of fire for all eternity.

(And before you jump all over me for that last paragraph, I’m not implying all Catholics are like that, but there are plenty.)
 
I agree with you. Jesus loves us ALL equality, Catholic or not.
 
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