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BadTurkey
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No offense, but is this the kind of “Catholic” school you’d want to send your kids to?
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diggerdomer
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A Catholic school that upholds the civil law? And protects its students? Yes.No offense, but is this the kind of “Catholic” school you’d want to send your kids to?
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Corki
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Yes, he still holds a chair in the Theology department.I’m wondering if Richard McBrien still teaches there (in the Theology department?)? That man is truly a heretic.
I have a few years left for my kids. I have “experienced” Notre Dame and would love them to go there, if they want.
But… while peers of mine had great experiences there, children of friends had very different experiences. They all had fun and got a good education. But not a single one came out still practicing thier faith.
If McBrien and Jenkins have moved on before application time rolls around for my children, I will give ND another look.
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diggerdomer
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Wow what a harsh judgment. You may think he’s a heretic, but obviously the Church doesn’t.I’m wondering if Richard McBrien still teaches there (in the Theology department?)? That man is truly a heretic.
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lovemyboys
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I can’t imagine having a university with a hundred or so Ph.D.s where all of them agree 100% with Catholic teaching. I don’t mind him hearing dissenting opinions-- he’s going to see people who believe anti-Catholic things every day for the rest of his life. I believe that parents are the most important transmittor of Catholic teaching, not college. Some of my friends turned out to be completely devout adults after attending some of the most secular of schools. I figure Notre Dame will give him a much more “fighting chance” to hold on to Catholic identity than a large secular University. Also, I still can’t find another University where there is “peer pressure to attend Mass” and where the marching band makes a huge cross at football games. Stuff like that gives me goosebumps. And every time I think of him attending “Our Lady’s University,” I get a little teary.
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mary_bobo
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Please explain. Obviously in what way?Wow what a harsh judgment. You may think he’s a heretic, but obviously the Church doesn’t.
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diggerdomer
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He hasn’t been declared a heretic by the Church. Has he?Please explain. Obviously in what way?
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Captain_America
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I much like the idea of a Catholic college or university. However, Notre Dame really has been hurting itself with its recent decisions. It makes one question the commitment the organization has to being Catholic.
CERTAINLY, one can weave complicated rationales, arguments, justifications for pursuing any number of political courses. But the current president is simply offbase. I’m sure the university will move toward a more sensible person there.
CERTAINLY, one can weave complicated rationales, arguments, justifications for pursuing any number of political courses. But the current president is simply offbase. I’m sure the university will move toward a more sensible person there.
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BadTurkey
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And which law was the priest breaking? Was Martin Luther King breaking the law when he marched for equal rights for African Americans? Was Susan B. Anthony breaking the law when she was fighting for women’s suffrage? Are you not aware of civil disobedience? For a school whose charter was for the (moral) erudition of the next generation of young Catholics, I’m afraid Notre Dame has fallen regrettably short.A Catholic school that upholds the civil law? And protects its students? Yes.
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diggerdomer
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Oh please stop the irrelevant hyperbole. Comparing MLK and Susan Anthony to protesters of a President (which happens EVERY time ND invites a President to campus)? Comparing trespassing on private property to public marches? Really, get a grip.And which law was the priest breaking? Was Martin Luther King breaking the law when he marched for equal rights for African Americans? Was Susan B. Anthony breaking the law when she was fighting for women’s suffrage? Are you not aware of civil disobedience? For a school whose charter was for the (moral) erudition of the next generation of young Catholics, I’m afraid Notre Dame has fallen regrettably short.
You’ve never been to Notre Dame, have you? Know anyone who went there? Or are you basing your opinion of the University’s 160+ years of existence and the thousands upon thousands of people who went there on the scandal about the past year’s commencement speaker? The majority of protesters (on both sides of the issue) were not arrested because they obeyed the police. The priest that was arrested and got his time on TV was from out of town and came to ND to do just that, publicize his views in any way possible. He has no connection to Notre Dame.
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Domer1997
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Actually BadTurkey, I’m saddened to say that the 88 who were arrested at Notre Dame, including Alan Keyes, were indeed breaking the trespassing rules of the university and were unfortunately disobeying a direct request from the local Bishop, John D’Arcy. Notre Dame, for the safety of its students, allows absolutely no protestors on her campus. A major “gay” crusade was traveling the country two years ago and marched on the Notre Dame campus (and other Christian campuses) becasue the university does not contain a sexual orientation non-discrimination clause in its charter. They were arrested. The only protestors allowed on campus are students who have an administratively approved protest march, which hundreds of students had from Fr. Jenkins (see www.ndresponse.com). Bishop D’Arcy wrote a public statement for all third-party individuals to protest the commencement speech only if they were to align themselves with the already-approved and peaceful, prayerful protests of the student organizations. These 88 disobeyed the Bishop’s request and did their own thing. I’m not sure why they had the audacity to do this on property owned privately by the Congregation of Holy Cross, but they unfortunately did.And which law was the priest breaking? Was Martin Luther King breaking the law when he marched for equal rights for African Americans? Was Susan B. Anthony breaking the law when she was fighting for women’s suffrage? Are you not aware of civil disobedience? For a school whose charter was for the (moral) erudition of the next generation of young Catholics, I’m afraid Notre Dame has fallen regrettably short.
I wish all could have simply obeyed D’Arcy’s (and the students’) wishes. Also, those arrested were pushing around baby carriages with bloody babydolls who were representing dead, unborn babies. That’s all too odd and if I was President of a university, I would too be very concerned of those individuals performing those outragiously odd protests on my campus as I would think the safety of the students would be at serious odds with individuals with that sort of a twisted mental disposition.
I’m sure that in their hearts, they thought they were doing the correct thing, but clearly they were not, and it didn’t help what the students so earnestly and diligently protested…having brought in great prominant pro-life speakers like Fr. Frank Pavone. In short, the 88 who were arrested detracted from the students’ valiant efforts instead of helping their pro-life cause.
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BadTurkey
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Hyperbole? I think not, unless you think pro-life proponents are somehow less than civil rights proponents. I think you’re letting your allegiance to the school cloud your allegiance to the Church and her teachings on abortion and other important issues which this president do not adopt.Oh please stop the irrelevant hyperbole. Comparing MLK and Susan Anthony to protesters of a President (which happens EVERY time ND invites a President to campus)? Comparing trespassing on private property to public marches? Really, get a grip.
You’ve never been to Notre Dame, have you? Know anyone who went there? Or are you basing your opinion of the University’s 160+ years of existence and the thousands upon thousands of people who went there on the scandal about the past year’s commencement speaker? The majority of protesters (on both sides of the issue) were not arrested because they obeyed the police. The priest that was arrested and got his time on TV was from out of town and came to ND to do just that, publicize his views in any way possible. He has no connection to Notre Dame.
No, I have not been to Notre Dame, nor do I have any intention of ever going there. Interestingly, they keep sending me marketing emails touting their school, and they go straight to the trash.
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diggerdomer
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No, of course pro-life proponents are not less than civil rights proponents. I never said nor implied anything like that. You are again exaggerating.Hyperbole? I think not, unless you think pro-life proponents are somehow less than civil rights proponents. I think you’re letting your allegiance to the school cloud your allegiance to the Church and her teachings on abortion and other important issues which this president do not adopt.
No, I have not been to Notre Dame, nor do I have any intention of ever going there. Interestingly, they keep sending me marketing emails touting their school, and they go straight to the trash.
My allegiance to the Church comes before my allegiance to anything else.
That’s why I follow the teaching of the U.S. Bishops (where I live) who clearly taught that Catholics are not bound to a particular candidate or party when participating in the political process by voting.
How about you? What have your Bishops taught regarding voting?
If you keep getting e-mails you don’t want, why don’t you just ask them to stop sending them?
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ndalum
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Thank you for pointing out that site. I am a ND alum who has been looking for other like-minded alumni.For years, I heard it wasn’t what it use to be but I didn’t pay attention until the Obama thing in May.
You might want to go to the website of its alumni, Sycamore. Many were very upset about Obama’s invitation. Please check to see if NDU is still showing THE VAGINA MONOLOGUES on campus. And if the name doesn’t say it all, google the play. Yup, on a Catholic campus for years. Go figure. I know of one alum who, after May, took off his ring, took down his diploma and canceled his NDU yearly donation.
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TheRealJuliane
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Texas A&M has a great reputation in engineering, and while it is not a Catholic university, it was founded as a male-only military college (the first university in Texas) and still has an honor code. The student community tends to be more conservative than at other schools. There is a HUGE Catholic student population and a thriving student-led Catholic community in St. Mary’s Church just off campus. A lot of Catholics have met their future spouses at St. Mary’s.My son also needs alternative colleges in case he doesn’t get in (I’m assuming it’s pretty tough to get into ND). Does anyone know of other Catholic schools with engineering programs?
Check it out.
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90Domer
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As my name implies, I am a 1990 grad of Notre Dame. My son hopes to attend, and I would be honored to have him go there.
Yes, the family atmosphere is alive and well there. Also, I have experienced a place that preaches service as part of education. So much so that nearly every student is involved in a volunteer capacity.
The neat thing about ND is that they still have same-sex dorms. I thought it was a great place to develop into a solid Catholic. Please feel free to PM me with other questions.
Yes, the family atmosphere is alive and well there. Also, I have experienced a place that preaches service as part of education. So much so that nearly every student is involved in a volunteer capacity.
The neat thing about ND is that they still have same-sex dorms. I thought it was a great place to develop into a solid Catholic. Please feel free to PM me with other questions.
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