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I met a man this weekend who claims that the “new” mass is invalid. Primarily, he says, because the concept of the sacrifice is wrong.
I explained that I understood that the one sacrifice of Jesus’ death and the sacrifice of the mass are the same and that the mass re-presents (not symbolically, but literally) that sacrifice today. We offer that once for all sacrifice to God at the mass for sins committed NOW, both appeasing God’s wrath (propitiation) and for remission of sins (through Grace given to us and through Christ’s righteousness).
He disagrees and says that we USED TO believe (pre vatican II?) that Jesus actually died at every mass.
So his argument hinges on an alleged CHANGE between then and now. Is there any substance to this claim? Has the understanding of what happens in the sacrifice of the mass caused Catholicism to change?
I understand how we regard the mass today, but is there someone who can say that it is doctrinally different than before?
He also quotes Quo Primum wherein it states that the changes that were made to the Mass then are unchangeable in perpetuity. Insights?
I explained that I understood that the one sacrifice of Jesus’ death and the sacrifice of the mass are the same and that the mass re-presents (not symbolically, but literally) that sacrifice today. We offer that once for all sacrifice to God at the mass for sins committed NOW, both appeasing God’s wrath (propitiation) and for remission of sins (through Grace given to us and through Christ’s righteousness).
He disagrees and says that we USED TO believe (pre vatican II?) that Jesus actually died at every mass.
So his argument hinges on an alleged CHANGE between then and now. Is there any substance to this claim? Has the understanding of what happens in the sacrifice of the mass caused Catholicism to change?
I understand how we regard the mass today, but is there someone who can say that it is doctrinally different than before?
He also quotes Quo Primum wherein it states that the changes that were made to the Mass then are unchangeable in perpetuity. Insights?