NSA Phone Records Program

[teeboy]

The NSA phone records program may be constitutional…

Article 3 of the Constitution of the United States of America states to the effect that inferior courts may be created by Congress. These inferior courts are of course inferior to the Supreme Court. Some folks call these courts “secret courts”. Some say that these secret courts have authority to issue court orders.

Are these “secret courts” a violation of the public trust? Or, are these courts effectively carrying out social justice?

 

[mikekle]

Oh, I think theres a GREAT that takes place in the US that, if we knew about, it would make most people run for the border and never return to the US. I think what Edward SNowden did was great and imo, he will go down as a true patriot, but probably not for many many years.

But I think what he found and tried to warn the public about, was just the tip of the iceburg, I would not be surprised if the NSA and other agencies that we probably dont even know exist, are storing and gathering more info on the public that we can imagine, makes me wonder what the real agenda is too.

I think towards the end times, we will probably find out why they wanted all this information, and will NOT be good for the general public!

 

[HerCrazierHalf]

The secret courts present a problem by lack of public oversight. The rulings and even the fines or jail time are secret. When the government can disappear people them there is a problem.

The cold reality is that as long as we demand that we be kept safe from everything we will have this stuff happen. The only way to rid ourselves of these programs is to accept that the ability for terrorist to strike us is the price we pay for our liberties without these invasions of privacy. It is worth it to me, but our society is too safety obsessed to consider it.

 

[edwest2]

First, The Price of Freedom is Eternal Vigilance.

The technology is moving rapidly. Gathering intelligence about your enemies and potential enemies is a must. This is referred to as Counter-Intelligence. It’s as old as the king sending his spies among the commoners to hear what public sentiment was toward him, the nobility and his and their policies. Subversives, insurrectionists and just a man or two that were a bit sociopathic in their thinking regarding those in power had to be observed. Finally, strangers in common garb may be spies looking for weaknesses and so on. Especially foreigners. Profiling? A bit on the old side.

Mr.Snowden is an obvious plant. One does not get a job at the NSA and move to Russia. Not publicly. He may be guilty of (a) treason or (b) espionage, or both. I don’t know. The intelligence community has been involved in various bad, but it seemed necessary at the time, things. Some of that is on the record. So, unless you spend time on the phone sharing details about how to build some type of weapon or moving half a ton or more of some illegal drug or sending coded messages, they don’t care about most people. Although, it is now easier to keep a file on everyone. I’m sure mine reads: “Threat? Are you kidding me?” And it’s stamped: “Boring As All Get-Out.”

Ed

 

[mikekle]

First, The Price of Freedom is Eternal Vigilance.

The technology is moving rapidly. Gathering intelligence about your enemies and potential enemies is a must. This is referred to as Counter-Intelligence. It’s as old as the king sending his spies among the commoners to hear what public sentiment was toward him, the nobility and his and their policies. Subversives, insurrectionists and just a man or two that were a bit sociopathic in their thinking regarding those in power had to be observed. Finally, strangers in common garb may be spies looking for weaknesses and so on. Especially foreigners. Profiling? A bit on the old side.

Mr.Snowden is an obvious plant. One does not get a job at the NSA and move to Russia. Not publicly. He may be guilty of (a) treason or (b) espionage, or both. I don’t know. The intelligence community has been involved in various bad, but it seemed necessary at the time, things. Some of that is on the record. So, unless you spend time on the phone sharing details about how to build some type of weapon or moving half a ton or more of some illegal drug or sending coded messages, they don’t care about most people. Although, it is now easier to keep a file on everyone. I’m sure mine reads: “Threat? Are you kidding me?” And it’s stamped: “Boring As All Get-Out.”

Ed

Maybe the whole Snowden thing and release of supposed secret info was all planned out ahead of time and he was a willing participant…maybe NSA did this as an exercise to see how the public reacts to hearing such things?..interesting.

 

[Jerurussia]

Remember the FBI files in the Clinton Whitehouse basement? Now you don’t even need to move paper files around to blackmail and extort your political frenemies. This is Big Brother writ lazy and the end of democracy as we know it, the only explanation for the RepubliCrat wimps. Combine with the weaponized IRS and VOILA! Brave New World Order. Teresa of Jesus, foundress with John of the Cross of the Discalced Carmelites, on this your birthday into Heaven, restore God’s protection and guidance, and our love of God, to America and the world.

 

[Joie_de_Vivre]

First, The Price of Freedom is Eternal Vigilance.

The technology is moving rapidly. Gathering intelligence about your enemies and potential enemies is a must. This is referred to as Counter-Intelligence. It’s as old as the king sending his spies among the commoners to hear what public sentiment was toward him, the nobility and his and their policies. Subversives, insurrectionists and just a man or two that were a bit sociopathic in their thinking regarding those in power had to be observed. Finally, strangers in common garb may be spies looking for weaknesses and so on. Especially foreigners. Profiling? A bit on the old side.

Mr.Snowden is an obvious plant. One does not get a job at the NSA and move to Russia. Not publicly. He may be guilty of (a) treason or (b) espionage, or both. I don’t know. The intelligence community has been involved in various bad, but it seemed necessary at the time, things. Some of that is on the record. So, unless you spend time on the phone sharing details about how to build some type of weapon or moving half a ton or more of some illegal drug or sending coded messages, they don’t care about most people. Although, it is now easier to keep a file on everyone. I’m sure mine reads: “Threat? Are you kidding me?” And it’s stamped: “Boring As All Get-Out.”

Ed

He didn’t “move to Russia”, he got stuck in Russia when his passport was cancelled. Why was he travelling in Russia? Because Russia isn’t part of NATO and just about any member of that would force an aircraft carrying Snowden down for him to be extradited to the US. Russia enjoys keeping Snowden there as it can use what he revealed as an example of how the US kicks puppies and also to just generally **** the US off somewhat reminiscent of how Catherine the Great sheltered Jesuits.

 

[Tom_Baum]

First, The Price of Freedom is Eternal Vigilance.

The technology is moving rapidly. Gathering intelligence about your enemies and potential enemies is a must. This is referred to as Counter-Intelligence. It’s as old as the king sending his spies among the commoners to hear what public sentiment was toward him, the nobility and his and their policies. Subversives, insurrectionists and just a man or two that were a bit sociopathic in their thinking regarding those in power had to be observed. Finally, strangers in common garb may be spies looking for weaknesses and so on. Especially foreigners. Profiling? A bit on the old side.

Mr.Snowden is an obvious plant. One does not get a job at the NSA and move to Russia. Not publicly. He may be guilty of (a) treason or (b) espionage, or both. I don’t know. The intelligence community has been involved in various bad, but it seemed necessary at the time, things. Some of that is on the record. So, unless you spend time on the phone sharing details about how to build some type of weapon or moving half a ton or more of some illegal drug or sending coded messages, they don’t care about most people. Although, it is now easier to keep a file on everyone. I’m sure mine reads: “Threat? Are you kidding me?” And it’s stamped: “Boring As All Get-Out.”

Ed

Concerning, “Gathering intelligence about your enemies and potential enemies is a must.”

You do know that these, “enemies and potential enemies”, include absolutely every human being that ever was, is or will be, don’t you?

Or I guess one could narrow it down to just those that are alive during one’s own lifetime.

 

[edwest2]

Concerning, “Gathering intelligence about your enemies and potential enemies is a must.”

You do know that these, “enemies and potential enemies”, include absolutely every human being that ever was, is or will be, don’t you?

Or I guess one could narrow it down to just those that are alive during one’s own lifetime.

Again, based on your profile, most people only care about mundane living. They were not, are not, and all future generations will never be more than a “non-threat” as far as the NSA is concerned. As long as “timeless” traditions like watching sports, drinking alcohol, and going to work are your life. Sure, down the road, someone you know may be profiled as a threat and linked to you but a quick check on the database will show that you had a big fight in 2019 and haven’t spoken to each other in 20 years.

It’s called Threat Level Assessment.

Peace,
Ed

 

[edwest2]

Maybe the whole Snowden thing and release of supposed secret info was all planned out ahead of time and he was a willing participant…maybe NSA did this as an exercise to see how the public reacts to hearing such things?..interesting.

I think that is a likely scenario in this case. Everyone who has a security clearance and works in a place like that is an asset. When you sign on, it’s like being in the military, but they know everything about you, your past, people you know, etc.

Peace,
Ed