Obama Mandate Forces Catholic College to Drop Insurance

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EviPolevhia said:
Except that’s not true. I’m entirely ok with the Government spending money on Religious institutions. So long as the same restrictions and benefits can apply to all the same organizations. Example being religious hospitals treated like other hospitals, religious charities treated like other charities. I’m in favor of zero deviation from how other groups are regulated and handled. Is this position too complicated to grasp? I thought I’ve stated this before?
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That sounds suspiciously like communism to me.
 
EviPolevhia said:
Except that’s not true. I’m entirely ok with the Government spending money on Religious institutions. So long as the same restrictions and benefits can apply to all the same organizations. Example being religious hospitals treated like other hospitals, religious charities treated like other charities. I’m in favor of zero deviation from how other groups are regulated and handled. Is this position too complicated to grasp? I thought I’ve stated this before?
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Translation: I’m in favor of partnerships between government and religious organizations as long as the organizations betray their religious identity any time there is a conflict between government policy and religious teaching. If the organization refuses, it should lose all government funding. That’s what you appear to be saying.

I’m FINE with catholic hospitals being denied funding from the federal programs intended to provide free contraceptives to poor people. But I’m NOT fine with that program halting prenatal screening and preventive care funding to that hospital because they refuse to provide abortions. If I’m reading you right, you think that latter scenario is fair play. All or nothing, right?

I suspect you are also OK with the recent development of state agencies revoking licensing and funding of catholic charities adoption programs that served wards of the state because they refused to place kids with homosexual couples. Even though CC did it for far less than the state spends on its own agencies, they shut them down instead of allowing them to simply refer homosexual people somewhere else. Am I right? Even though the number of gay adoptees are tiny and could be handled by state agencies directly, they felt the need to eliminate CC’s adoption services merely because they refused to compromise their religious identity.

If I’ve misread you, please clarify, but that’s what I think I’m hearing.
 
Farsight001 said:
That sounds suspiciously like communism to me.
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Yeah and we all know what a hardcore Capitalist Jesus was.
manualman said:
Translation: I’m in favor of partnerships between government and religious organizations as long as the organizations betray their religious identity any time there is a conflict between government policy and religious teaching. If the organization refuses, it should lose all government funding. That’s what you appear to be saying.
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Yes but a clarification. It should only lose all government funding when a Secular organization that would refuse to follow the same rules would -also- lose all funding. If they behave in a way where Secular organizations would only lose part and not all of their funding then the Religious organization to should only lose part and not all of their funding. I am for equal treatment between Secular and Theistic organizations. Same rules, same restrictions, same punishments and limitations.
manualman said:
I’m FINE with catholic hospitals being denied funding from the federal programs intended to provide free contraceptives to poor people. But I’m NOT fine with that program halting prenatal screening and preventive care funding to that hospital because they refuse to provide abortions. If I’m reading you right, you think that latter scenario is fair play. All or nothing, right?
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It depends. I’d rather then not halt all prenatal care. I’m an atheist born to a Catholic family at a Jewish children’s hospital. I’ve been treated for a life threatening illness at a Catholic hospital, and my mother was treated for cancer at a Protestant hospital. I have zero problem in general with religious organizations and I am very thankful of their existence.

My preference is that if Theistic organizations do not want to obey by Rule X, then that which is associated with X they do not receive the benefits of. I would hope such repercussions are specific and do not hard the general activities of the Hospitals and Universities and other organizations. But that’s not going to be possible in all situations.
manualman said:
I suspect you are also OK with the recent development of state agencies revoking licensing and funding of catholic charities adoption programs that served wards of the state because they refused to place kids with homosexual couples. Even though CC did it for far less than the state spends on its own agencies, they shut them down instead of allowing them to simply refer homosexual people somewhere else. Am I right? Even though the number of gay adoptees are tiny and could be handled by state agencies directly, they felt the need to eliminate CC’s adoption services merely because they refused to compromise their religious identity.
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I consider one being homosexual to be the same as if one were born black. I consider it to be how they were born. I wouldn’t want the KKK to run an adoption agency even if they followed each and every single regulation on the books except they didn’t place children with black couples. Even if the number of black couples were as small as the number of homosexual couples it doesn’t make it right. Now I know someone’s going to chime in loudly with “People aren’t born gay!” I disagree and I severely doubt I can be convinced otherwise by your personal opinion or the Church’s opinion alone.

The Catholic adoption agencies were being licensed and funded in part by the Government. The Government does not hand out money like that without restrictions. Just like if a Public school decided to stop teaching Math, there will be serious repercussions. I don’t care if that’s a small part of their curriculum or not.
 
Farsight001 said:
I noted the fact that your ideas are similar to communism. You address this notion by commenting on this fact. Stop being so patronizing.
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I’m unsure how what I stated is similar to communism. But if it is so what?
 
Most people could not have imagined even a year ago, that the government of our nation would mandate that Catholics would be forced to pay for abortions. Yet, following the messages of Our Lady, this came as no surprise, especially because of Our Lady’s words,

February 2, 2012
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“…pride (Satan) has come to rule…”**
 
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