Obligation

[Dt4v29]

I think I already know the answer, but just checking, would going to the Eastern Christmas Eve service take care of my obligation as a Roman Catholic? May I receive communion with the Eastern Orthodox?

Thanks

 

[RyanBlack]

I think I already know the answer, but just checking, would going to the Eastern Christmas Eve service take care of my obligation as a Roman Catholic? May I receive communion with the Eastern Orthodox?

Thanks

First question: yes, if it is an Eastern Catholic liturgy, no if it is an Eastern Orthodox liturgy.

Second question: the Catholic Church permits you to do so, but the Orthodox Church does not, so the answer is no.

 

[Ferde_Rombola]

Second question: the Catholic Church permits you to do so [receive the Sacrament], but the Orthodox Church does not, so the answer is no.

The answer may be ‘no’ but the reality floats. I was raised Orthodox by my mother, who died when I was 8 years old. My father, who was separated from my mother and who was a nominal Catholic, raised me from there and I became Catholic. Occasionally I would go to Orthodox Mass with my Orthodox grandmother and my mother’s sisters as late as 30 years later. I never hesitated to receive communion at an Orthodox Mass. I got some questioning looks from time to time, but was never denied the Sacrament. The Body and Blood of Christ is the Body and Blood of Christ, period.

Be aware, in the Orthodox Church you will receive both Body and Blood together from a spoon, an invention which cannot be supported by Scripture.

 

[Vico]

I think I already know the answer, but just checking, would going to the Eastern Christmas Eve service take care of my obligation as a Roman Catholic? May I receive communion with the Eastern Orthodox?

Thanks

Yes:

CIC Can. 923 The Christian faithful can participate in the eucharistic sacrifice and receive holy communion in any Catholic rite, without prejudice to the prescript of can. 844.

Sometimes, but not normally:

Can. 844
§1. Catholic ministers administer the sacraments licitly to Catholic members of the Christian faithful alone, who likewise receive them licitly from Catholic ministers alone, without prejudice to the prescripts of §§2, 3, and 4 of this canon, and can. 861, §2.

§2. Whenever necessity requires it or true spiritual advantage suggests it, and provided that danger of error or of indifferentism is avoided, the Christian faithful for whom it is physically or morally impossible to approach a Catholic minister are permitted to receive the sacraments of penance, Eucharist, and anointing of the sick from non-Catholic ministers in whose Churches these sacraments are valid.

§3. Catholic ministers administer the sacraments of penance, Eucharist, and anointing of the sick licitly to members of Eastern Churches which do not have full communion with the Catholic Church if they seek such on their own accord and are properly disposed. This is also valid for members of other Churches which in the judgment of the Apostolic See are in the same condition in regard to the sacraments as these Eastern Churches.

 

[tabycat]

Be aware, in the Orthodox Church you will receive both Body and Blood together from a spoon, an invention which cannot be supported by Scripture.

In at least some of the Eastern Catholic Churchs also use a spoon for receiving the Body and Blood together. Or, at least they did when the EC Monks celabrated DL at the church my family went to.

 

[ConstantineTG]

I think I already know the answer, but just checking, would going to the Eastern Christmas Eve service take care of my obligation as a Roman Catholic? May I receive communion with the Eastern Orthodox?

Thanks

The Orthodox probably wouldn’t let you receive. It is rare in North America for an Orthodox priest to give Communion to a Catholic.

 

[ConstantineTG]

Be aware, in the Orthodox Church you will receive both Body and Blood together from a spoon, an invention which cannot be supported by Scripture.

Neither is a flat unleavened wafer or the use of white wine. What is your point?

 

[Ferde_Rombola]

Neither is a flat unleavened wafer or the use of white wine. What is your point?

Neither is contrary to Scripture. There is nothing that says the wine has to be red or the bread a loaf. The wafer is bread (and leaves no crumbs) and the white wine, which is rarely used in my experience, is wine. (I have seen it, though, so I’m not denying it happens.)

Jesus consecrated the elements separately and handed them to the Apostles. I would think this item would bother you more than the primacy of the Pope, which is found in Scripture, the writings of the Fathers and the history of the Church.

When did the Orthodox start serving the Sacrament with a spoon and why, if you know?

 

[Cavaradossi]

Neither is contrary to Scripture. There is nothing that says the wine has to be red or the bread a loaf. The wafer is bread (and leaves no crumbs) and the white wine, which is rarely used in my experience, is wine. (I have seen it, though, so I’m not denying it happens.)

Jesus consecrated the elements separately and handed them to the Apostles. I would think this item would bother you more than the primacy of the Pope, which is found in Scripture, the writings of the Fathers and the history of the Church.

Oh what nonsense. Be specific, in what way does it contradict the Scriptures? Is it the spoon? Intinction?

Frankly, with opinions like this, I hope you do not continue to occasionally take communion with the Orthodox, as it is a violation of the unity of faith demanded of those who commune from the same chalice.

 

[Dt4v29]

Thank you to all who took the time to explain

 

[ConstantineTG]

Neither is contrary to Scripture. There is nothing that says the wine has to be red or the bread a loaf. The wafer is bread (and leaves no crumbs) and the white wine, which is rarely used in my experience, is wine. (I have seen it, though, so I’m not denying it happens.)

Jesus consecrated the elements separately and handed them to the Apostles. I would think this item would bother you more than the primacy of the Pope, which is found in Scripture, the writings of the Fathers and the history of the Church.

When did the Orthodox start serving the Sacrament with a spoon and why, if you know?

Around the 800s. It became universal by the 1200s. The why is easy, would you rather the priest fish out the Eucharist from the precious blood with their bare fingers?

There is nothing in a Roman Catholic Mass or a Byzantine Divine Liturgy that would resemble the meal Jesus had with the Apostles except for the bread and wine. But even the appearance of bread and wine aren’t the same. Even the flour today is different from the flour back then, we have different wheat. Did the Apostles receive kneeling on the tongue? No. Did Jesus use a gold cup and had the bread on a gold plate? No. I don’t get the point of your nitpicking.

 

[Ferde_Rombola]

Oh what nonsense. Be specific, in what way does it contradict the Scriptures? Is it the spoon? Intinction?

I think I was specific in my message; Jesus consecrated the elements separately and handed them to the Apostles. He didn’t serve Himself with a spoon, which, as I said, is an unbiblical Orthodox invention. If you can find support for your practice, I will apologize.

A unity of faith in the Body and Blood of Christ, not of the filioque or the authority of the pope or in national churches separated from each other by personalities and pride.

But thanks for the lecture. Have a Blessed and happy Christmas.

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[RyanBlack]

Cavaradossi;10166622:

Oh what nonsense. Be specific, in what way does it contradict the Scriptures? Is it the spoon? Intinction?

I think I was specific in my message; Jesus consecrated the elements separately and handed them to the Apostles. He didn’t serve Himself with a spoon, which, as I said, is an unbiblical Orthodox invention. If you can find support for your practice, I will apologize.

The use of the spoon for distributing communion is a development that is recognized as legitimate by the Catholic Church, as evidenced by the fact that there are several Eastern Catholic Churches that use the spoon in distributing communion. What more support do you, as a Catholic, need for this practice?

 

[Ferde_Rombola]

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Cavaradossi;10166622:

Oh what nonsense. Be specific, in what way does it contradict the Scriptures? Is it the spoon? Intinction?

The use of the spoon for distributing communion is a development that is recognized as legitimate by the Catholic Church, as evidenced by the fact that there are several Eastern Catholic Churches that use the spoon in distributing communion. What more support do you, as a Catholic, need for this practice?

The Church supports the laity taking the Blessed Sacrament in their hands and communicating themselves, too. I don’t support that, either. Once we get away from doctrine, there’s a lot to disagree about.

 

[Vico]

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Ferde Rombola;10167981:

The Church supports the laity taking the Blessed Sacrament in their hands and communicating themselves, too. I don’t support that, either. Once we get away from doctrine, there’s a lot to disagree about.

But the Church does not call it self-communication when Communion is received from the Minister of Communion or Extraordinary Minister of Communion.

 

[Vico]

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I think I missed the “manner describing” somehow. The conversation became a little confusing. I agree that the Church has decided the appropriate way to receive in their various jurisdictions, and is preserving or restoring the eastern traditions.
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[Vico]

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I understand, it happens to me too. I hope you can get some rest soon.
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[Zekariya]

Wearing a Crucifix is “an invention” which cannot be supported by Scripture.

 

[Elizium23]

Be aware, in the Orthodox Church you will receive both Body and Blood together from a spoon, an invention which cannot be supported by Scripture.

Actually, you receive the Body and Blood of Christ together whenever you receive the Eucharist in any form. Both the species of bread and the species of wine are the Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ.