Observations on the SSPX

[laszlo]

He was being interviewed for broadcast on Swedish television.

Long before the Williamson case ever came about, the SSPX has been widely hated in Germany, so no doubt the German authorities were overjoyed at the opportunity to prosecute Bishop Williamson and cast the SSPX as a whole in a bad light.

Apparently they keep alive the spirit of the Third Reich and also the Communism: against the enemy everything is rightful. There are new new things under the Sun.

 

[Warrenton]

Bishop Williamson is a convicted Holocaust denier…

wdtprs.com/blog/2010/04/sspx-bp-williamson-convicted-by-german-court-for-holocaust-denial/

That a court rules someone is guilty of exercising free speech means less than nothing, especially when the person is found guilty in absentia.

 

[Thomas_Casey]

Please remain on topic. The policies and laws of the German government are not the subject of this thread.

Thank You.

 

[Bluegoat]

Not kidding at all.

Is antisemitism racism against Jewish people or opposition to the actions and ideologies of certain self-appointed Jewish “leaders” or criticism of the Talmudic Neo-Judaic religion? Williamson is no racist and nothing you quoted was racist. But again, “antisemitism”, “racism”, “sexism”, etc. just means, in popular language, “opposition to the liberal worldview” and the actual definitions of these words become almost irrelevant.

Again, I call Godwin’s Law.

I’d be willing to say he’s not anti-Semitic but rather a conspiracy-theorist. Except a lot of his conspiracy theories seem to be about the Jews. Who are also Masons, on in league with Masons.

 

[Thomas_Casey]

We do not refer to bishops as “crack-pots”. Every bishop must be spoken about with respect.

Thank You

 

[Dan_Daly]

I recently read the book “The Rural Solution”. It’s a collection of essays making arguments for the Catholic basis for a “back to the land” movement. One of the essays is by Bishop Williamson (didn’t realize it when I first picked up the book).

Overall, I thought it was well written. Not too long of a read either. A decent place to start for gaining an understanding of the thought process behind the SSPX locating at least some of their Churches in rural areas.

amazon.com/Rural-Solution-Modern-Catholic-Voices/dp/0954563204/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1315824169&sr=8-3

Pax.

 

[Cat]

The OP asked why the SSPX is located more in the country than in the city, at least in the U.S.

It could have something to do with the bishops in the U.S.

First, cities are the centers of more dense population, which means that a bishop will potentially lose more people to the SSPX in a city than in the country. So perhaps bishops are particularly diligent to try to keep the SSPX out of the cities in their diocese.

Second, if a good bishop creates a climate in which the SSPX is superfluous, then the SSPX will not move in because there is no demand for what they offer.

Our bishop is extremely supportive of the Latin Mass and has encouraged parishes to use this form of the Mass. We have had a Latin Mass parish in our city for over a decade, and Latin Mass is prayed daily and several times on weekends. Several other cities in the diocese also have Latin Mass.

Our bishop is also diligent about making sure that the OF Masses are offered reverently and without abuses, and he is equally supportive of the OF Mass.

So the people in our diocese have no reason to “take refuge”, so to speak, with the SSPX because they have nothing to flee from.

Third, our bishop is diligent about driving out sedavacantist groups, and I am not using hyperbole by saying, “driving out.” I realize that the SSPX is not a sedavacantist group. But other sedavacantist groups have been told to “get out of my town” by our bishop, and they have fled. When there is a sedavacantist group attempting to move in, our diocescan paper publishes a warning from the bishop to the faithful urging them to avoid the group.

I think that the SSPX possibly feels uncomfortable with such a strong and watchful bishop in command. They know that he will observe their every move and leap if they even so much as make a peep against the established Catholic authorities. So why move in here when there are other dioceses with a lackadaisical bishop who will look the other way?

 

[JReducation]

I think there is also the issue of available property. There is not much room in most cities for new churches, whereas the suburbs and rural areas are still growing.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF

 

[Dragonslayer]

I think there is also the issue of available property. There is not much room in most cities for new churches, whereas the suburbs and rural areas are still growing.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF

Absolutely correct. In Australia at least the SSPX aquired land in the country to establish a school and a church. The main factor was not that it was in the country, but that it was affordable, and also on a train line for easier access. In our case, the city is quickly encroaching on us though. The fact the country lifestyle offers a more homely, back to the land type of lifestyle may have been a consideration, but I doubt it was a major one.

Then again, Bishop Williamson is concerned about the possible collapse of world economies and the dramatic affect this would have on society, and his advice is therefore to “pay down your debts and grow potatoes”. It’s easier to grow spuds in the country.

 

[JReducation]

Absolutely correct. In Australia at least the SSPX aquired land in the country to establish a school and a church. The main factor was not that it was in the country, but that it was affordable, and also on a train line for easier access. In our case, the city is quickly encroaching on us though. The fact the country lifestyle offers a more homely, back to the land type of lifestyle may have been a consideration, but I doubt it was a major one.

Then again, Bishop Williamson is concerned about the possible collapse of world economies and the dramatic affect this would have on society, and his advice is therefore to “pay down your debts and grow potatoes”. It’s easier to grow spuds in the country.

The bishop is a little late on the collapse of world economies. There are not many countries that are not nearly bankrupt.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF

 

[Dragonslayer]

The bishop is a little late on the collapse of world economies. There are not many countries that are not nearly bankrupt.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF

He has been saying it for quite a while though, well before the GFC I believe. I guess he is one of many who see the collapse of world economies leading to a complete collapse of society as we now know it. His advice about paying down debt and growing potatoes is a pointer to how serious he thinks things will get.

 

[JReducation]

He has been saying it for quite a while though, well before the GFC I believe. I guess he is one of many who see the collapse of world economies leading to a complete collapse of society as we now know it. His advice about paying down debt and growing potatoes is a pointer to how serious he thinks things will get.

Not being an economist or a sociologist I can’t engage in this discussion. Maybe the bishop has a background in social science. Mine is in brain disorders and theology. I shy away from such conversations. I have a brother who loves this stuff and I always change the subject, because I don’t know enough about economics.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF

 

[ProVobis]

… because I don’t know enough about economics.

Good, then we’ll put you in charge of the Federal Reserve.

 

[JReducation]

Good, then we’ll put you in charge of the Federal Reserve.

Anyone for Monopoly?

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF