Old cardinal's robes?

[awatkins69]

I’ve always been wondering whether there was a special name for the cardinal robes I keep seeing in old movies and paintings and such. They were like the one in this picture:

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Anybody know anything? When did they stop dressing like this? Can they still do so? Is there a specific name for this? Thanks.

 

[MarkThompson]

The two guys on the left in the sombrero-looking hats (galeros) are cardinals. The guy reaching upwards is the pope, as his three-crowned tiara indicates. So if you’re asking about the long garment that the pope is wearing, it appears to be a cappa magna or long cope, like this:

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[callmeChris]

That indeed is the magna cappa (The Great Cape) It reached a length of 15 ft, but during the reign of Pope Pius XII, it was reduced to 10 ft. You can blame the liturgical changes brought about from Vatican II for the very limited use of this vestment. And yes they can still wear this. But from what I read, It must be worn on very solemn events

 

[awatkins69]

I’m sorry. I meant the cardinals’ dress. I never see that anymore, and not even in recent pictures. Are they wearing the cappa magna as well?

 

[MarkThompson]

I’m sorry. I meant the cardinals’ dress. I never see that anymore, and not even in recent pictures. Are they wearing the cappa magna as well?

Ah, fair enough – you said the cardinals, and you meant the cardinals, go figure!

The galero is out of use as actual headwear, and I’m not sure about the nun-like headdresses they have on under their galeri. I’m also not positive about their long red garments, which seem to be a sort of robe with slits for the arms. It might be a form of the mantelletta, as you can see in the following pictures, though if so I don’t know what the white around their necks is from:

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[CatholicOf94]

I’m sorry. I meant the cardinals’ dress. I never see that anymore, and not even in recent pictures. Are they wearing the cappa magna as well?

Before Vatican II, the Cardinals had many types of dresses-THEY ALMOST LOOK LIKE ROYAL KINGS. They looked so regal! Nowadays you only see them in chior dresses, and scarlet cassocks.

Here are some wonderful Picture I collected to show what types of vestments they had:

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This is John XXIII



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[Joe_Kelley]

As I recall, in the mid-20th century the galero [sombrero like hat] was given to the new cardinal at his installation. It was then hung from the ceiling in his cathedral for ever more. It was about 60 years ago that someone told me that; so don’t bet real money on it.

 

[5Loaves]

As I recall, in the mid-20th century the galero [sombrero like hat] was given to the new cardinal at his installation. It was then hung from the ceiling in his cathedral for ever more. It was about 60 years ago that someone told me that; so don’t bet real money on it.

I believe they were actually hung from the cathedral ceiling* at his death* and left there until they fall down, or so the commentators said during the installation of Archbishop Vigneron in Detroit.

Wikipedia says

When a cardinal dies, it is traditional that his galero be suspended over his tomb, where it remains until it is reduced to dust, symbolizing how all earthly glory is passing. It is said that when it falls, the cardinal’s soul has entered Heaven.[citation needed] In the United States, where only a few cathedrals have crypts, the galeri of past archbishops who were cardinals are suspended from the ceiling.

Here’s an interesting story related to the hanging of galeros:

Father Gaspar said that the galero was hung [March 29, 2010] in honor of Cardinal Medeiros** to mark the 25th anniversary of his death**, and also as a reminder of the Year for Priests.

“It’s a reminder to pray for the deceased archbishops and a nod to our own history,” he said.

A galero is the wide-brimmed red hat with tassels once given to cardinals by the pope at their consistory. Since the 1970s, however, new cardinals have been presented with a small three-cornered cap called a biretta and galeros are mostly seen only depicted in the coats of arms of bishops and cardinals.

 

[Chatter163]

Flippant source, of course, but see ncronline.org/blogs/ncr-today/cappa-magna-finding-way-church-pomp

 

[Joe_Kelley]

I believe they were actually hung from the cathedral ceiling* at his death* and left there until they fall down, or so the commentators said during the installation of Archbishop Vigneron in Detroit.

Wikipedia says

Here’s an interesting story related to the hanging of galeros:

Thanks for the correction and clarification.

 

[5Loaves]

That indeed is the magna cappa (The Great Cape) It reached a length of 15 ft, but during the reign of Pope Pius XII, it was reduced to 10 ft. You can blame the liturgical changes brought about from Vatican II for the very limited use of this vestment. And yes they can still wear this. But from what I read, It must be worn on very solemn events

I believe Bishop Edward Slattery was wearing one for the Pontifical Solemn Mass at the Basilica of the National Shrine in Washington DC, April 24, 2010 to celebrate the fifth anniversary of Pope Benedict’s inauguration.

In the broadcast on EWTN it looked way longer that 10, or 15, feet! Take a look at these photos. The article says 20 yards long.

 

[5Loaves]

I believe they were actually hung from the cathedral ceiling* at his death* and left there until they fall down, or so the commentators said during the installation of Archbishop Vigneron in Detroit.

Rocco Palmo on his blog Tu about the Installation of Archbishop Gomez has a photo of a couple of galeros hanging from the ceiling in the Cathedral of Our Lady of the Angels in Los Angeles, CA.

 

[VetA]

Before Vatican II, the Cardinals had many types of dresses-THEY ALMOST LOOK LIKE ROYAL KINGS. They looked so regal!

as well the should nowadays, they are the princes of the church, and i for one think that they should look like it

 

[LoyalViews]

as well the should nowadays, they are the princes of the church, and i for one think that they should look like it

Agreed! I don’t know why I don’t see as many in scarlet cassocks anymore
Also, it was unfortunate that Pope Paul VI abolished the mantelletta, it was sublime!

 

[awatkins69]

Ah, fair enough – you said the cardinals, and you meant the cardinals, go figure!

The galero is out of use as actual headwear, and I’m not sure about the nun-like headdresses they have on under their galeri. I’m also not positive about their long red garments, which seem to be a sort of robe with slits for the arms. It might be a form of the mantelletta, as you can see in the following pictures, though if so I don’t know what the white around their necks is from:

Yeah, that’s what I was kind of interested in. Those nun-like headdresses and the long red garments. I see them all the time in medieval and renaissance painting, yet I’ve never been able to find any info on them.

 

[awatkins69]

Ah, fair enough – you said the cardinals, and you meant the cardinals, go figure!

The galero is out of use as actual headwear, and I’m not sure about the nun-like headdresses they have on under their galeri. I’m also not positive about their long red garments, which seem to be a sort of robe with slits for the arms. It might be a form of the mantelletta, as you can see in the following pictures, though if so I don’t know what the white around their necks is from:

lol Yeah, that’s what I was kind of interested in. Those nun-like headdresses and the long red garments. I see them all the time in medieval and renaissance painting, yet I’ve never been able to find any info on them.

 

[AJV]

I believe Bishop Edward Slattery was wearing one for the Pontifical Solemn Mass at the Basilica of the National Shrine in Washington DC, April 24, 2010 to celebrate the fifth anniversary of Pope Benedict’s inauguration.

In the broadcast on EWTN it looked way longer that 10, or 15, feet! Take a look at these photos. The article says 20 yards long.

True it was definitely longer but I doubt 20 yards which is around 60 feet. I can’t figure out why some Traditionalists insist on flouting the old legislation in such an exaggerated almost in-your-face way. A shorter train would have stressed the dignity and looked better.

 

[AJV]

Ah, fair enough – you said the cardinals, and you meant the cardinals, go figure!

The galero is out of use as actual headwear, and I’m not sure about the nun-like headdresses they have on under their galeri. I’m also not positive about their long red garments, which seem to be a sort of robe with slits for the arms. It might be a form of the mantelletta, as you can see in the following pictures, though if so I don’t know what the white around their necks is from:

The nun like headdress is the hood of the cappa magna and the mantelletta-like garment is the cappa magna but let down in the front, though slightly altered for artistic purposes. .

 

[IntegraCatholic]

Cardinals no longer receive the galero in a ceremony, but I believe they are still entitled to wear it. Usually (if you’re lukcy) they just opt for a red romano with the special cardinal trappings. It is the same as the one worn by the Pope.

It is said that while attempting to suspend Cardinal Merry del Val’s galero from the ceiling, it kept falling down. They took it as a sign that he was already in heaven.

 

[AJV]

Cardinals no longer receive the galero in a ceremony, but I believe they are still entitled to wear it. Usually (if you’re lukcy) they just opt for a red romano with the special cardinal trappings. It is the same as the one worn by the Pope.

Cardinals can no longer wear/use either a red galero or a red capello - though I suppose there is nothing preventing them hanging a galero up. Currently, for all clerics other than the Pope, only a black capello may be used - though ornamented in different ways. The Pope’s differs from others in that the sides are turned up by golden cords - a bit like a cowboy hat.