Old Catholic Church

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Can anyone tell me a bit about the Old (Utrecht) Catholic Church? is it treated the same way the Orthodox or Eastern churches are treated, or is it seen as a Protestant denomination?
 
Since they dispute Papal Infallability(sp?), they cannot be in perfect communion with the catholic church, also they have very strong ties with the Anglican church, especially the ordinatain of Anglican bishops. So one would assume that they would be classed as Protestant.

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Dominic
 
Anglicans, despite their historical ties to Protestantism, do not usually like to be considered Protestant, and indeed the existence of so many catholic minded Anglicans demonstrates this.
DominicStephen said:
Since they dispute Papal Infallability(sp?), they cannot be in perfect communion with the catholic church, also they have very strong ties with the Anglican church, especially the ordinatain of Anglican bishops. So one would assume that they would be classed as Protestant.

God bless

Dominic
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Usbek_de_Perse said:
Anglicans, despite their historical ties to Protestantism, do not usually like to be considered Protestant, and indeed the existence of so many catholic minded Anglicans demonstrates this.
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My apologies, I never intended any disrespect, I am a bit of a closet historian, and tend to see things from a historical view-point, instead of thinking in modern terms.

Again my apologies,

God Bless

Dom.
 
Absolutely no apologies needed as no offense was given, nor taken.

An interesting point with regard to the nettlesome issue of Anglican orders. Putting aside, for the moment, the whole Aposotlicae Curae matter, many Anglican bishops have been consecrated with Old Catholic lines of succession. In fact, I know a “continuing Anglican” bishop who had traditional Anglican lines, Orthodox lines, and Old Catholic lines at his consecration.
DominicStephen said:
My apologies, I never intended any disrespect, I am a bit of a closet historian, and tend to see things from a historical view-point, instead of thinking in modern terms.

Again my apologies,

God Bless

Dom.
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Usbek_de_Perse said:
Absolutely no apologies needed as no offense was given, nor taken.

An interesting point with regard to the nettlesome issue of Anglican orders. Putting aside, for the moment, the whole Aposotlicae Curae matter, many Anglican bishops have been consecrated with Old Catholic lines of succession. In fact, I know a “continuing Anglican” bishop who had traditional Anglican lines, Orthodox lines, and Old Catholic lines at his consecration.
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Given the number of Anglican bishops jointly consecrated with OC (since 1932) and PNCC (since 1946) co-consecrators, it would be harder to find Anglican clergy without such lines than otherwise. The lines are passed as each Anglican bishop so co-consecrated continues to ordain/consecrate, himself. My own, late, rector was ordained by a Continuing bishop who was consecrated by a bishop with PNCC lines.

But, as I noted before, no statement has been made on this, generally, by the RCC, so the judgment stated in Apostolicae Curae is the rule.

GKC
 
DJ_Pius_X said:
If that’s the case, are OC orders in fact valid?
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The short answer is that the RCC considered the Old Catholics of Utrecht to possess valid, though illicit orders, at one time. The same for the Polish National Catholic Church.

Things are complicated, though. I do not make a generalization as to current status.

GKC
 
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