Old Historic Former Sacred Heart Co-Cathedral Endangered of Demolition!

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I am sorry that the OP left out a MAJOR piece of information that has led people to believe that SH CoCathedral was callously abandoned in favor of building a new cathedral and that the Archbishop has willy-nilly decided to tear down a beautiful, historic church.

SH Co-Cathedral sits right next to a large, elevated freeway, I-45, through downtown Houston. The vibrations from the freeway over 60 years have damaged the church building beyond repair and have made the old co-cathedral structurally unsound.

Numerous engineering studies were conducted, architects were consulted, and there is no way to “save” the old church.

Thus the decision to build the new one and tear down the old one.
I have to disagreed with you.

I have attend this church for over 20 years, so I think I know whats going on. 🙂

The building is not structurally unsound. The Archdiocese has said the church was “unsound” since early 2000. But they continue holding mass in a “unsound” building until 2008? Does that make any sense? Why would they put people’s lives in danger? :rolleyes:

The building does need to be repairs like any other 100 year old, but it is not beyond repair.
 
It is beautiful inside. I don’t know who could think of it as sterile.
Certainly sterile is not the right word. It’s a bit empty for my tastes, but it’s nothing that a few murals wouldn’t fix, as YoungTradCath pointed out.
 
I am sorry that the OP left out a MAJOR piece of information that has led people to believe that SH CoCathedral was callously abandoned in favor of building a new cathedral and that the Archbishop has willy-nilly decided to tear down a beautiful, historic church.

SH Co-Cathedral sits right next to a large, elevated freeway, I-45, through downtown Houston. The vibrations from the freeway over 60 years have damaged the church building beyond repair and have made the old co-cathedral structurally unsound.

Numerous engineering studies were conducted, architects were consulted, and there is no way to “save” the old church.

Thus the decision to build the new one and tear down the old one.
Somehow I suspected something of the sort. There were similar issues here when we built our new church building (and the plans do involve bringing down the structure of the old church building, but not immediately). Just from the exterior pictures shown, I could see signs of damage. Building a new church building for an existing parish is a very expensive project that is rather unlikely to be undertaken without some serious reason. (Besides the structure issues in my parish’s old building, the seating was so limited that every Sunday was SRO and holidays like Christmas and Easter had us moving to the school gym. By putting about 150 extra chairs in the new building, we were able to accommodate everyone on those major holidays and have enough room that you don’t have to do the sign of the Cross in synchronization with everyone else in the pew.)

Sometimes the expenses involved in the repairs for an older building just are much greater, and there are damages that one might not be aware of unless one is in architecture or working in some of the areas “behind the scenes” so to speak, or the roof is leaking. In my old parish in NYS, we ran into issues w/ the roof repair where, once they got up there after the money had been raised, they found more extensive damage than previously known (before getting up on the roof, that is), like a cornice that only looked attached, and wood under the slates that had completely rotted.

Funny enough, we also had someone writing in to the local paper decrying how horrible it was that we were not going to try to “save” the old church building (despite the fact that, like I said, it really was inadequate to our needs), so I tend to be just a little on the skeptical side.
 
I think (though not sure) that I am in favor of continuing the master plan of creating the parking and the greenbelt. It really is a terrible location, right on a major elevated freeway. I can see why the diocese is considering tearing it down. The new Cathedral is wonderful and very traditional in design and use. It has one of the best organs in the world. I have seen a lot of great buildings, but this new one would make any Catholic proud.

I would say that perhaps no action should be taken without an engineering study so that options may be weighed with full knowledge. Perhaps action might be delayed if no serious defaults exist at this time. In any case, I will trust Cardinal DiNardo to do what he thinks best.

Parking has been rather tight during special events, but I usually just take the Metro in if I know it is going to be crazy. If you look at the parking map, you will notice there is a metro station just one block west (left)of the entrance.

sacredhearthouston.org/index.cfm?load=page&page=154
 
Oh, and for those not familial with why this is a co-cathedral, it is also the same reason that the diocese is called Galveston-Houston, not the other way around. The first cathedral was in Galveston, what you might say is the mother church in Texas - St. Mary’s Basilica. It too is rather awesome if you are ever in the area.

marycath.org/site/
 
Oh, and for those not familial with why this is a co-cathedral, it is also the same reason that the diocese is called Galveston-Houston, not the other way around. The first cathedral was in Galveston, what you might say is the mother church in Texas - St. Mary’s Basilica. It too is rather awesome if you are ever in the area.

marycath.org/site/
The folks in San Antonio (which at one time was the only archdiocese in Texas) would dispute about what is the mother church of Texas…San Fernando Cathedral is a grand old old old church that pre-dates Texas Independence.
 
The folks in San Antonio (which at one time was the only archdiocese in Texas) would dispute about what is the mother church of Texas…San Fernando Cathedral is a grand old old old church that pre-dates Texas Independence.
The Church is older, but San Antonio was not a diocese in Texas until 1874 when it was split from the diocese of Galveston. Then San Antonio became the Archdiocese of Texas until recently when Galveston-Houston was changed to an Arch-diocese, splitting Texas.

FYI - San Fernando is truly wonderful and a more worthy stop than the Alamo. But then there are many awesome old missions around the San Antonio area. It is a great Catholic tourist stop.
 
What a lovely old church! Like others have said, very warm and intimate.
I esp love the stained glass (my old Baptist church has stained glass with NT scenes as well), and the statues. Gorgeous! The painting of Mary and Jesus is lovely as well.

The new church seems a bit cold, due to all the white, but it probably ‘feels’ better than
it looks online. 🙂

Both are very grand and impressive, I have to say.
 
The building is not structurally unsound. The Archdiocese has said the church was “unsound” since early 2000. But they continue holding mass in a “unsound” building until 2008? Does that make any sense? Why would they put people’s lives in danger? :rolleyes:

The building does need to be repairs like any other 100 year old, but it is not beyond repair.
It actual does make sense. A building might be sound enough for everyday use but not sound enough to sustain any renovation or major repair without compromising the soundness in years ahead. Or it may have a structural problem that is progressive - fine for 5 or 10 more years but prohibitive much beyond that. I am not saying this is the case but these are scenarios that are certainly possible given the few facts we have here.
 
As much as I hate to see beautiful and historic old buildings taken down, I have to say that the discussion here has me leaning (reluctantly) towards saying that the Diocese is right and the old building has to go.

That said, I would repeat my earlier comment that I hope someone (company, group, church community etc.) is able to save at least some of the architectural items - furnishings etc.

Peace
James
 
Well - Moving the Church might be another option…It’s being attempted by a parish in Georgia - and that Church is in Buffalo NY!!!
)SEE HERE

I have to wonder is something similar might be attempted in Texas.
Of course - being a brick building - the structure itself might not lend itself to dis-assembly - move and reassembly (I’m no building engineer).
However might be possible to remove most of the interior features, plus the beautiful doors, windows, stonework statuary, cupolas etc. and recreate the Church elsewhere with new brickwork.

Just a thought…

Peace
James
 
I have to disagreed with you.

I have attend this church for over 20 years, so I think I know whats going on. 🙂

The building is not structurally unsound. The Archdiocese has said the church was “unsound” since early 2000. But they continue holding mass in a “unsound” building until 2008? Does that make any sense? Why would they put people’s lives in danger? :rolleyes:

The building does need to be repairs like any other 100 year old, but it is not beyond repair.
Actually, celebrating Mass in a damaged building is not unheard of. Perhaps my diocese’s experience might be relevant here. My diocese has had a structurally unsound cathedral for many years. It was caused by nearby underground tunneling works which caused the foundations to shift. The structural damage was quite evident. The peeling plaster and water leaks were the least of our concerns. What mattered was that the pillars on south end were breaking apart and needed massive wooden beams to hold together. To make matters worse, there was a deep and long fissure running through the roof and ceiling over the sanctuary.

The photos below document the kind of despair we felt.

http://www.straitstimes.com/sites/s...road.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/277a0614.jpg

The solution was clear: this cathedral needed to be restored. However, we needed $35 million in order to effect the repairs. It took eight years to raise the first $20 million, and only then could works begin. During these eight years, Masses were celebrated in the cathedral as usual, and the crowds were not discouraged despite the prospect of our mother church caving in upon itself. I remember seeing Good Friday liturgies packed to the point they were overflowing into the surrounding carpark. Therefore, it is entirely possible to use a church even when it is structurally unsound. 🙂
 
First off, it is very sad to see the people that support the plans to tear down the House of God!

But there are a lot of people on this thread that are either misinform, or just do not know of what they speak. A little history lesson for everyone.

My family and I have been members at Scared Heart for over 35 years. My father also serves as an official for Sacred Heart for a time. From the 80’s to the early 2000’s a lot of people in the City of Houston did not even cared about this parish. When we went to mass in the old church it was half empty. But all of a sudden they built this huge brand new Co-Cathedral and everyone now his a voice and a opinion.

The Diocese of Galveston-Houston (at that time) even thought about closing Scared Heart. It was the Vietnamese community that brought life back into this parish in the 80s. As we all know they immigrant to Houston after the Vietnam War and opened up businesses in midtown and started attending mass at Scared Heart.

The original plans where to tear down the old church. However, to this day that is still under review. At this time it is really a 50/50 chance whether it will be saved or demolished. They just do not really know what to use the old church for.

Former pastor of Sacred Heart, Father Troy Gately wanted to use the old church for weekday day mass and weddings like OP has stated. It does not make sense to open up a building that sits 2,200 people for 50 people during weekday mass. It also makes sense to have two churches to hosting weddings because the Co-Cathedral is very busy with all current weddings. But however, the Archbishop wants all services to be in the new Co-Cathedral. As we all know a priest must obey the Archbishop or Bishop’s wishes.

Yes, they are gutting out the old church. Statues and paintings have been removed. But for the most part the old church is still pretty much in tack. The most important feature (to me) the stained glass windows are still there.

The building is not beyond repair. The Archdiocese of Galveston-Houston has already stated it will cost about a million dollars to repair. Before everyone flips out at that price tag, please note that the new Co-Cathedral cost $50,000,000.00 + to built.

If you did not attend mass when the plans for the new Co-Cathedral were announced then you really do not what the statements from the Diocese were. Father Troy Gately spoke at the began of every Mass that weekend. He stated that the building was in “really poor condition and could collapses any day now”. And yet Archdiocese of Galveston-Houston continued using the old Co-Cathedral for 6 years later? And a “structurally unsound” building is still left standing 6 years after the new Co-Cathedral is completed. Give me a break people. The old Sacred Heart Co-Cathedral can be saved. The question, do they want to save the House of God, an irreplaceable landmark, and a piece of Houston’s history?
 
Actually, celebrating Mass in a damaged building is not unheard of. Perhaps my diocese’s experience might be relevant here. My diocese has had a structurally unsound cathedral for many years. It was caused by nearby underground tunneling works which caused the foundations to shift. The structural damage was quite evident. The peeling plaster and water leaks were the least of our concerns. What mattered was that the pillars on south end were breaking apart and needed massive wooden beams to hold together. To make matters worse, there was a deep and long fissure running through the roof and ceiling over the sanctuary.

The photos below document the kind of despair we felt.

The solution was clear: this cathedral needed to be restored. However, we needed $35 million in order to effect the repairs. It took eight years to raise the first $20 million, and only then could works begin. During these eight years, Masses were celebrated in the cathedral as usual, and the crowds were not discouraged despite the prospect of our mother church caving in upon itself. I remember seeing Good Friday liturgies packed to the point they were overflowing into the surrounding carpark. Therefore, it is entirely possible to use a church even when it is structurally unsound. 🙂
Yes it is true that diocese have done this. However, the Old Sacred Heart is not as bad as the Archdiocese of Galveston-Houston is making it out to be. There were no supporting brace like the ones you posted. There were no major cracks anywhere. My father has even been down to the basement and the foundation is fine. This is just an excuse for them to tear down the old and beautiful Co-Cathedral.
 
It actual does make sense. A building might be sound enough for everyday use but not sound enough to sustain any renovation or major repair without compromising the soundness in years ahead. Or it may have a structural problem that is progressive - fine for 5 or 10 more years but prohibitive much beyond that. I am not saying this is the case but these are scenarios that are certainly possible given the few facts we have here.
You’re probably right but it’s interesting how churches, castles, and other buildings can be sustained in Europe for many, many centuries, while in America the first crack in the wall is cause for demolishing. In the case of sports stadiums, even a crack isn’t necessary. 🙂
 
I would like to add a couple of thoughts.
I know that people do not trust wikipedia, but the articles on the cathedral in Galveston and the co-cathedral in Houston are well documented. Read them and check out their footnotes.
The old co-cathedral in Houston is in poor repair after a hundred years and the upsets of large scale construction immediately across the street from the church. (Take a look at the satellite image on Google Maps.) The building was never designed to withstand that sort of disruption. The church had long out-lived its usefulness as a co-cathedral. It is seriously below necessary capacity for large liturgical celebrations. The archbishop was correct in having a new edifice built. You now enjoy the luxury of 1820 seats in the nave as opposed to the 800 at old Sacred Heart. And the article is clear that “old” Sacred Heart was in fact “new” Sacred Heart when it was built in the early part of the 20th century. Old Sacred Heart was demolished after the new church was dedicated.
Your newest Sacred Heart is a powerful church from an architectural standpoint. It shouts the power of the Godhead. Its interior, while austere is reverent and awe inspiring. Its design and construction have earned awards from professional associations of architects and builders. I suggest that people Google search for images of the red brick church and the new church and compare them. The archdiocese can justly be proud of both buildings. The article mentions that the archbishop has shelved plans to demolish the old building (it’s an historic building) and is considering options.
The fact that it is “structurally unsound” does not mean that it is in imminent danger of collapse. Liturgies held in the old church have not endangered the faithful. But the building cannot be repaired to code and put to its intended use. Foundations have probably been shifted by the construction of the expressway and its attendant infrastructures for drainage, etc.
I would suggest that the people of the archdiocese support the archbishop whatever decision he finally makes regarding Old Sacred Heart.

Reb Levi
 
I would suggest that the people of the archdiocese support the archbishop whatever decision he finally makes regarding Old Sacred Heart.
I agree. I support Cardinal DiNardo and I trust his decision making.

Peace

Tim
 
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