Old Testament: Did people really live to be 900 years old?

[twinc]

Puhleeze…

EVOLUTION IS A BANNED TOPIC!!!

maybe so - but we are in fact advised and encouraged to discuss but not to accept - twinc

 

[LittleSoldier]

maybe so - but we are in fact advised and encouraged to discuss but not to accept - twinc

I cannot believe you. You are either laughing your head off and this is a big joke or you really don’t get it. A BANNED topic means that we are not to discuss it. Please let me quote for you the moderator’s words:

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Jo Benedict
Super Moderator

Temporary Ban on Evolution/Atheism Threads

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For the foreseeable future, there shall be no discussion in the Philosophy Forum of evolution or atheism. Anyone who starts such a thread or revives an old thread on those topics will be banned. This ban is planned to be temporary, but there are to be no public or private petitions that the ban be lifted. It will be lifted only when the mod (yours truly) discerns that the atmosphere in this forum has sufficiently cooled.

Jo Benedict
Super Mod

Re: Temporary Ban on Evolution/Atheism Threads

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This will also be in effect in Apologetics.
God bless,

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Michael Francis
Moderator
Apologetics & Sacred Scripture

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=410885​

Did you notice where it said "no discussion? “No discussion” means that we are not supposed to discuss it. Believe me. That is what it means. “No discussion” means “no discussion.” This thread is in the Apologetics forum, so the ban is in effect.

OK?

 

[twinc]

I cannot believe you. You are either laughing your head off and this is a big joke or you really don’t get it. A BANNED topic means that we are not to discuss it. Please let me quote for you the moderator’s words:

============================================================

Jo Benedict
Super Moderator

Temporary Ban on Evolution/Atheism Threads

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For the foreseeable future, there shall be no discussion in the Philosophy Forum of evolution or atheism. Anyone who starts such a thread or revives an old thread on those topics will be banned. This ban is planned to be temporary, but there are to be no public or private petitions that the ban be lifted. It will be lifted only when the mod (yours truly) discerns that the atmosphere in this forum has sufficiently cooled.

Jo Benedict
Super Mod

Re: Temporary Ban on Evolution/Atheism Threads

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This will also be in effect in Apologetics.
God bless,

---

Michael Francis
Moderator
Apologetics & Sacred Scripture

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=410885​

Did you notice where it said "no discussion? “No discussion” means that we are not supposed to discuss it. Believe me. That is what it means. “No discussion” means “no discussion.” This thread is in the Apologetics forum, so the ban is in effect.

OK?

I noticed alright - but you didnt notice this is the Scripture forum - stop trying to lay down the law and make your own rules and regulations - twinc

 

[LittleSoldier]

I noticed alright - but you didnt notice this is the Scripture forum - stop trying to lay down the law and make your own rules and regulations - twinc

This is the Apologetics forum. It is the Scripture subforum. As for making rules, you seem bound and determined to make the rules the Catholic faithful must follow, even if they go against Church teaching. That is not nice and it is not smart. Father Feeney did that and look what happened to him.

But I’ll tell you what. It is confusing the way it is set up. It’s really impossible to tell if Apologetics is a subforum and Sacred Scripture is separate. So I will PM the moderator and ask him about the ban and we’ll go from there. OK?

I know you think I’m a wise*** but I am serious here. We are both Catholics and shouldn’t be arguing about something so minor as whether something is banned. I don’t want to fight with you - we are sisters (or brother and sister) in Christ and that is much more important than a petty squabble. Deal?

 

[buffalo]

Guys - alright already…

Doesn’t this settle the question since their is extrabiblical evidence?

The genealogical table is accepted as a record of the past and as possessing the ordinary certainty of history. The ten patriarchs are held actually to have lived the long life assigned to them. The object which God intended by this extraordinary longevity is said to have been the increase of men on earth and the preservation of ancient tradition. In answer to the objection that the system of the human body does not permit of so long a lifetime, it is argued that a special providence of God had favoured the ancients with a peculiar organization and constitution of body, and had provided for them a special kind of food and climate. Thus already Josephus: “Let no one make the shortness of our lives at present an argument that neither the Patriarchs attained so long a duration of life; for those ancients were beloved of God and made by God himself; and because their food was then fitter for the prolongation of life; and besides God afforded them a longer time of life on account of their virtue, and the good use they made of it in astronomical and geometrical discoveries, etc.”
Furthermore in corroboration of the Biblical account he names as witnesses the historians Manetho the Egyptian, Berosus the Chaldean, Mochus, Hesitaeus, Hieronymus the Egyptian, and others, who all bore testimony to the longevity of primeval man. Ant., I, III, 9.

 

[LittleSoldier]

Guys - alright already…

Doesn’t this settle the question since their is extrabiblical evidence?

The genealogical table is accepted as a record of the past and as possessing the ordinary certainty of history. The ten patriarchs are held actually to have lived the long life assigned to them. The object which God intended by this extraordinary longevity is said to have been the increase of men on earth and the preservation of ancient tradition. In answer to the objection that the system of the human body does not permit of so long a lifetime, it is argued that a special providence of God had favoured the ancients with a peculiar organization and constitution of body, and had provided for them a special kind of food and climate. Thus already Josephus: “Let no one make the shortness of our lives at present an argument that neither the Patriarchs attained so long a duration of life; for those ancients were beloved of God and made by God himself; and because their food was then fitter for the prolongation of life; and besides God afforded them a longer time of life on account of their virtue, and the good use they made of it in astronomical and geometrical discoveries, etc.”
Furthermore in corroboration of the Biblical account he names as witnesses the historians Manetho the Egyptian, Berosus the Chaldean, Mochus, Hesitaeus, Hieronymus the Egyptian, and others, who all bore testimony to the longevity of primeval man. Ant., I, III, 9.

No, it doesn’t settle the question of whether evolution is a banned topic. Just kiddin’. I haven’t read your posts because to be honest they are a bit too complicated for me at this point. I only know what I’ve found myself and that is clear Church teaching. And if the Church teaches something I believe it.

I’ve already told you (in another thread) that I believe God created everything ex nihilo and that He designed everything. It’s the mechanics I have problems with; that and something I read somewhere that said something about the Church saying ID is incorrect. But I don’t think your theory is ID. There’s a difference, but I don’t know what it is. I’ve had other fish to fry lately and problems with comprehension of the written (and spoken) word.

But I do appreciate your keeping this thread on topic and I am interested in how in the world it is possible for people to live 900 years way long ago and live such short lives now. It doesn’t seem feasible. I’ll try to read your posts tomorrow and see if I can understand them. I’ve got to get some sleep now or I’m going to pass out and my dog is bugging me to let her outside.

Good night…

 

[LittleSoldier]

OK - I have PMd the moderator, although he’s not online so I won’t get an answer until tomorrow morning at least. Then maybe we’ll all know exactly where we stand about evolution, as far as it being a banned topic at least.

If it’s not a banned topic on Sacred Scripture I offer my sincere apology to everyone and will be happy to discuss it, on the stipulation that we agree that Church teaching must be followed. And I really hope that the nastiness in this thread is gone and good riddance. Catholics shouldn’t act like this - no one should.

God bless us all and please give us a quiet night of sleep…

 

[LittleSoldier]

Guys - alright already…

Doesn’t this settle the question since their is extrabiblical evidence?

The genealogical table is accepted as a record of the past and as possessing the ordinary certainty of history. The ten patriarchs are held actually to have lived the long life assigned to them. The object which God intended by this extraordinary longevity is said to have been the increase of men on earth and the preservation of ancient tradition. In answer to the objection that the system of the human body does not permit of so long a lifetime, it is argued that a special providence of God had favoured the ancients with a peculiar organization and constitution of body, and had provided for them a special kind of food and climate. Thus already Josephus: “Let no one make the shortness of our lives at present an argument that neither the Patriarchs attained so long a duration of life; for those ancients were beloved of God and made by God himself; and because their food was then fitter for the prolongation of life; and besides God afforded them a longer time of life on account of their virtue, and the good use they made of it in astronomical and geometrical discoveries, etc.”
Furthermore in corroboration of the Biblical account he names as witnesses the historians Manetho the Egyptian, Berosus the Chaldean, Mochus, Hesitaeus, Hieronymus the Egyptian, and others, who all bore testimony to the longevity of primeval man. Ant., I, III, 9.

Is this a dogmatic teaching? I don’t think it is. And this only applies to men? So women were around just to have babies and then die at 25 or 30 years old? I don’t like this. I do not like this at all.

 

[Michael_Francis]

I cannot believe you. You are either laughing your head off and this is a big joke or you really don’t get it. A BANNED topic means that we are not to discuss it. Please let me quote for you the moderator’s words:

============================================================

Jo Benedict
Super Moderator

Temporary Ban on Evolution/Atheism Threads

---

For the foreseeable future, there shall be no discussion in the Philosophy Forum of evolution or atheism. Anyone who starts such a thread or revives an old thread on those topics will be banned. This ban is planned to be temporary, but there are to be no public or private petitions that the ban be lifted. It will be lifted only when the mod (yours truly) discerns that the atmosphere in this forum has sufficiently cooled.

Jo Benedict
Super Mod

Re: Temporary Ban on Evolution/Atheism Threads

---

This will also be in effect in Apologetics.
God bless,

---

Michael Francis
Moderator
Apologetics & Sacred Scripture

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=410885​

Did you notice where it said "no discussion? “No discussion” means that we are not supposed to discuss it. Believe me. That is what it means. “No discussion” means “no discussion.” This thread is in the Apologetics forum, so the ban is in effect.

OK?

I noticed alright - but you didnt notice this is the Scripture forum - stop trying to lay down the law and make your own rules and regulations - twinc

Little Soldier is correct. The ban applies in Sacred Scripture as well, because I am the mod for both forums and it is with Admin direction that the ban remains in effect because of the uncharitable interactions that it evokes, (as this one has).

***Having departed from topic into a banned one, this thread is now closed.
***Very sincerely,