On Experiencing SSA

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Many people in our culture think that those who experience same sex attraction (SSA) should “come out” because they will love that person for who they are, that having SSA is a part of their identity. This is a warped view in my opinion because in telling people to “come out”, it gives the impression that they aren’t “fully themselves”. So how do we address this issue? As someone who experiences SSA, I have was given advice by an individual who told me to not tell anyone about it. At first, I was rather confused but this person reminded me that SSA is not something you have, it is something you experience and as a result, you “go through it” rather then “owning it”. Since I “go through it”, I am able to say that this isn’t a part of who I am, this isn’t what defines me, this isn’t my identity. Rather, what defines me is my faith and my identity is found in Christ.
 
Many people in our culture think that those who experience same sex attraction (SSA) should “come out” because they will love that person for who they are, that having SSA is a part of their identity. This is a warped view in my opinion because in telling people to “come out”, it gives the impression that they aren’t “fully themselves”. So how do we address this issue? As someone who experiences SSA, I have was given advice by an individual who told me to not tell anyone about it.
SSA can come about in many manners.

Even as a means of genital satisfaction…

Pray to JESUS to . . . support you. .’
 
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SSA can come about in many manners.

Even as a means of genital satisfaction…

Pray to JESUS to lead you away and heal you. .’
What does this have to do with addressing societal pressures for people with SSA to come out of the closet?
 
What does this have to do with addressing societal pressures for people with SSA to come out of the closet?
Why do they have to come out of anything…
  • when they have the possibility of overcoming that sort of attraction - ?
that’s what!
 
There is a possibility of their attractions changing, however it is relatively unlikely to happen, and not something the Church requires someone with these experiences to undergo, personally, as someone who does have these experiences, while I will gladly ask the Lord that they change, I’m not going to go out of the way to try and force it. If the Lord wills it, I will happen, and if not it won’t. I have been blessed to fall in love with a young lady at my parish, and only the Lord knows if anything will come of it, but he clearly thinks I am able to handle this reality (with his help of course), and so I submit to whatever he sends my way, and if that means being single the rest of my life, then so be it (I’m not crazy about that option, but that is not for me to control).
 
Think you have a good understanding, you are right on the mark! My daughter experiences SSA, however she’s not aware of this aspect. That she isn’t defined by it; that it isn’t her identity. I’m hoping she will become aware of it some day, or when the time is right, (hopefully, prayerfully) that I can bring it up.
But for some, maybe a large populace, it’s part of an agenda that to politicize it and term it that way because they’re trying to normalize the behavior and ultimately re-define the family unit. If the understanding of what is a family can be changed, society would be undermined ultimately I believe.
 
It is a warped view in my opinion because in telling people to “come out”, it gives the impression that they aren’t “fully themselves”. How do we address this issue?
Think about it.

You answered your own question.

Just disregard what they said.

I’m not gay or bi-, but I am a kinkster. I can’t fully empathize with SSA, but, what I do know is, we all experience sexual desires to varying degrees and particular interests.

The Catholic ideology looks at sexuality in two ways: 1.) generative faculty (reproduction, and 2.) unitive faculty (love and charity). Ideally, proper sexuality has to have both, not just one or the other - since we look at what brings us reproducible life in Christ.

A gentically identified XX person cannot reproduce life by natural means with another genetically identified XX person. The same with XY’s. So - since BOTH the generative and unitive faculties are required to produce ongoing life - the entire SSA defense will not fully complete the Catholic idea of life.

What your correspondent was suggesting probably speaks to the unitive, loving phase of SSA. This is a tough call for SSAs, kinksters, and every one of us - because our own particular desires seek fulfillment, and we do not feel resolute or like they have come to closure without fulfilling them. In other words, we don’t feel “complete” or like we are “fully ourselves” (as was described) without “coming out” with it.

Satisfying one’s obligations to onesself and the greater good requires looking at one’s desires. Even in the LGBT and kinkster communities, you’ll find varying limits and interests in how the people want to conduct themselves, so there’s always some compromise required for both parties to get along. Full homosexuals dont always get along with bi’s; Top find switches hard to engage with, etc. They also tend to have short-lived relationships, and they fight a lot amongst themselves. You’ll find a lot of gossip, betrayal, drama and game playing in those communities, which you wont find in church; and, when I have succumbed to talking with them, I usually find the conversations very empty and unfulfilling. There are a few good people in those scenes, but often times they are just confusing, as you pointed out.

At church, you can be fully yourself… we keep our sins in the confessional, but we share in fellowship… unless we harbor some sort of bad intention, whereby we don’t come to the light, we live fully in the light. I dont think I have ever seen people fight in church the way I have seen some people in secular society and its subcultures behave…

We all have to learn to live with each other. Christ sets the best example of who to follow in our struggles. His grace and mercy reconcile all this to himself fully in the Trinitarian sense. Made in his image - you always have all you need within you. Be at peace with it and live a fulfilled life.

That’s what you are telling yousrself, when you say, “what defines me is my faith and my identity is found in Christ.”

You have the support of the entire Christian community at that point.

God’s Blessings to you!
 
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A few years back, the popular slogan was “don’t ask, don’t tell.” I think that’s a good rule to go by, even today.

If you live a chaste lifestyle, not giving in to the same sex attractions, you can live an honest life and say truthfully that you do not desire same-sex relations, even though these may sorely tempt you. But, you are not defined by those temptations, but more by the way that you control them.

The Bible expresses a universal call to holiness. We are all called to be holy and that is something that challenges every one of us, every day. You have to deal with not only your own feelings, but of those that are around you. In that situation you should still be in control of your own thoughts and actions.

The U.S. Supreme Court made some ruling about people defining themselves, and you should think about defining yourself and your limits as much as any other person concerned about their own morality. You might be tempted to give away your dignity but no one can take it from you. Protect it and avoid categories and such.
 
Initially I found the words "coming out’ odd wording when I first heard of the term a long time ago. It is slang for 'coming out of the closet; a figure of speech for people disclosing their sexual orientation. Though not always used for such and can have meaning in other walks of life such as beliefs. it stems back over time to when homosexuality and the like was illegal, there for 'skeleton in the closet was used.
 
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Initially I found the words "coming out’ odd wording when I first heard of the term a long time ago. It is slang for 'coming out of the closet; a figure of speech for people disclosing their sexual orientation. Though not always used for such and can have meaning in other walks of life such as beliefs. it stems back over time to when homosexuality and the like was illegal, there for 'skeleton in the closet was used.
In fact, when Christ exorcises demons, he often says, “Come out…”

I think the “generic” meaning, of coming out has something to do with education in Latin, as a sort of drawing out what exists within a person.

With respect to the OP’s concern, if I understand if correctly, I think they are looking for moral support.

The OP probably feels very alone. They’ve made a decision to live in Christ, but the temptation makes them feel incomplete. The tendency is to want to discuss it, and, when one encounters another “different” person, who is more open and defensive about putting their desires into action - it creates a divided will, and they basically feel" left out". The result is an internal struggle to come out with it in a Catholic sense.

So - I say - let the OP talk it out… no one holds it against the OP for siding with Christ here… on the contrary, we should (non-judgmentally) give them all the support we can to help them “overwrite” and better direct their wishes and intentions to a good and fulfilling resolution in Christ…

BTW, I’m not suggesting anyone has been judgmental here, but - since the issue deals with a struggle - the tendency is to feel like judgment is an issue…

The proper resolution is to assure the OP (and others in this position) they are not alone, but they have the acceptance and full support of the community behind them in opting to do the good thing…
 
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In fact, when Christ exorcises demons, he often says, “Come out…”

I think the “generic” meaning, of coming out has something to do with education in Latin, as a sort of drawing out what exists within a person.
That is an interesting concept. Thank you.
 
SSA is not something you have, it is something you experience and as a result, you “go through it” rather then “owning it”. Since I “go through it”, I am able to say that this isn’t a part of who I am, this isn’t what defines me, this isn’t my identity. Rather, what defines me is my faith and my identity is found in Christ.
This is the first time I have heard it put this way. I think it makes sense, as SSA is often expressed as a source of grief.

I immediately thought of the experience of grief, in my case, the loss of a child at birth. In a support group I attended, the leader described grief as something we can accept and “go through” for as long as necessary. I found it tremendously helpful and empowering.

It would be interesting to know whether other people accept this “going through it” as a helpful touchstone of strength.
 
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What does this have to do with addressing societal pressures for people with SSA to come out of the closet?
Why do they have to come out of anything…
  • when they have the possibility of overcoming that sort of attraction - ?
that’s what!
There is a possibility of their attractions changing, however it is relatively unlikely to happen, and not something the Church requires someone with these experiences to undergo, personally, as someone who does have these experiences, while I will gladly ask the Lord that they change, I’m not going to go out of the way to try and force it.
There’s no demand.
And there are many testimonies of becoming an -ex.
And there’s no end to those who press that ‘change’ is false.
Causes of SSA have been noted by the medical profession …
 
Why do they have to come out of anything…
  • when they have the possibility of overcoming that sort of attraction - ?
that’s what!
And how is fighting against their SSA supposed to keep society from pressuring them to embrace their sexuality and come out of the closet? That’s like telling a recovering alcoholic who is trying to resist a culture that heavily promotes binging alcohol at parties to just stop drinking. That recovering alcoholic is already not drinking. And that won’t keep people from pressuring him to do something he knows is wrong.
 
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It’s not fighting against!
Call it whatever you like then. Your advice still boils down to the same thing which doesn’t address the problem the OP is talking about.
That’s like telling a recovering alcoholic who is trying to resist a culture that heavily promotes binging alcohol at parties to just stop drinking. That recovering alcoholic is already not drinking. And that won’t keep people from pressuring him to do something he knows is wrong.
 
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