Only Priests can give communion?

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It doesn’t say that anywhere in the Bible.
Precisely who can give the consecrated Bread and/or Wine is not explicitly found in the Bible, because it doesn’t have to be. The Church can make or change non-doctrinal issues. This is not a doctrinal issue but a disciplinary one.

If a Protestant wants to argue that anybody can quote scripture over crackers and grape juice, that’s their business; that is their way they do things. But for a Protestant to challenge us Catholics for doing what Jesus told us to do for 2000 years, that’s none of their business.
 
Of course, in the New Testament, the Apostles are never referred to as priests.
Umm…no.

In Greek, the word for elder is presbuteros. That word was transliterated into Latin as presbyter, which then in English became shortened to priest. That’s why you never hear about “Catholic elders.” It is because Catholic priests are Catholics elders. That’s what the word “priest” means; it is simply a shortened English form of presbuteros. You can check any dictionary you want to confirm this. So obviously we can say that there is some kind of priesthood today because there are elders today.

In fact, if you read some older Catholic translations of the Bible, they will use the word “priest,” entirely appropriately, where the Protestant Bible says “elder.” For example, this is the Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible, which is the Catholic equivalent of the King James Version.

In Titus 1:5, Paul tells Titus: “For this cause I left thee in Crete, that thou shouldst set in order the things that are wanting, and shouldst ordain priests in every city, as I also appointed thee.”

In James 5:14-15 we read: “Is any man sick among you? Let him bring in the priests of the Church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil, in the name of the Lord. And the prayer of faith shall save the sick man; and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he be in sins, they shall be forgiven him.”

the New Testament priesthood is a sacramental priesthood. (1)

Protestants do not have sacramental ministers, and unfortunatley, some of them still buy into the anticlericalism of the reformers, and redefined “presbuteros”.

The claim that the word “priest” is not in the New Testament is just a revised form of old anti-clericalism.
Anti-clericalism is a historical movement that opposes religious (generally Catholic) institutional power and influence in all aspects of public and political life, and the involvement of religion in the everyday life of the citizen. It suggests a more active and partisan role than mere laïcité. The goal of anti-clericalism is sometimes to reduce religion to a purely private belief-system with no public profile or influence. However, many times it has included outright suppression of all aspects of faith.
Anti-clericalism has at times been violent, leading to murders and the desecration, destruction and seizure of church property. Anti-clericalism in one form or another has existed throughout most of Christian history, and is considered to be one of the major popular forces underlying the 16th century reformation. Some of the philosophers of the Enlightenment, including Voltaire, continually attacked the Catholic Church, both its leadership and priests, claiming that many of its clergy were morally corrupt. These assaults in part led to the suppression of the Jesuits, and played a major part in the wholesale attacks on the very existence of the Church during the French Revolution in the Reign of Terror and the program of dechristianization. Similar attacks on the Church occurred in Mexico and in Spain in the twentieth century. (2)

(1) ewtn.com/library/ANSWERS/PRIEST3.HTM
(2) articlesbase.com/religion-articles/anticatholicism-1276028.html
 
Umm…no.

In Greek, the word for elder is presbuteros. That word was transliterated into Latin as presbyter, which then in English became shortened to priest. That’s why you never hear about “Catholic elders.” It is because Catholic priests are Catholics elders. That’s what the word “priest” means; it is simply a shortened English form of presbuteros. You can check any dictionary you want to confirm this. So obviously we can say that there is some kind of priesthood today because there are elders today.

In fact, if you read some older Catholic translations of the Bible, they will use the word “priest,” entirely appropriately, where the Protestant Bible says “elder.” For example, this is the Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible, which is the Catholic equivalent of the King James Version.

In Titus 1:5, Paul tells Titus: “For this cause I left thee in Crete, that thou shouldst set in order the things that are wanting, and shouldst ordain priests in every city, as I also appointed thee.”

In James 5:14-15 we read: “Is any man sick among you? Let him bring in the priests of the Church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil, in the name of the Lord. And the prayer of faith shall save the sick man; and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he be in sins, they shall be forgiven him.”

the New Testament priesthood is a sacramental priesthood. (1)

Protestants do not have sacramental ministers, and unfortunatley, some of them still buy into the anticlericalism of the reformers, and redefined “presbuteros”.

The claim that the word “priest” is not in the New Testament is just a revised form of old anti-clericalism.
Anti-clericalism is a historical movement that opposes religious (generally Catholic) institutional power and influence in all aspects of public and political life, and the involvement of religion in the everyday life of the citizen. It suggests a more active and partisan role than mere laïcité. The goal of anti-clericalism is sometimes to reduce religion to a purely private belief-system with no public profile or influence. However, many times it has included outright suppression of all aspects of faith.
Anti-clericalism has at times been violent, leading to murders and the desecration, destruction and seizure of church property. Anti-clericalism in one form or another has existed throughout most of Christian history, and is considered to be one of the major popular forces underlying the 16th century reformation. Some of the philosophers of the Enlightenment, including Voltaire, continually attacked the Catholic Church, both its leadership and priests, claiming that many of its clergy were morally corrupt. These assaults in part led to the suppression of the Jesuits, and played a major part in the wholesale attacks on the very existence of the Church during the French Revolution in the Reign of Terror and the program of dechristianization. Similar attacks on the Church occurred in Mexico and in Spain in the twentieth century. (2)

(1) ewtn.com/library/ANSWERS/PRIEST3.HTM
(2) articlesbase.com/religion-articles/anticatholicism-1276028.html
Right, presbyteros means “elder” not “priest” (which would have been sacerdos in Latin or hieros in Greek).

Translation is different than transliteration.

The only time the word “priest” is used in the New Testament it refers to either (1) Jewish priests or (2) Jesus Christ (see Hebrews) or (3) all Christians.
 
The question here is poorly worded.
  1. Only priests can give communion?
The answer to that is no. Any ordained cleric has the right to give out communion. This includes the deacon, priest and bishop.
  1. Only priest can consecrate?
The answer is yes. To consecrate you must be a priest. This includes the bishop, since the bishop has the fulness of the priesthood as Jesus Christ did. Therefore, a presbyter and a bishop are the only ones who can consecrate, even though the presbyter, whom today we call the priest, does not have the fullness of the priesthood, can still consecrate bread and wine.

That begs the next question, what about lay men and women?

Lay men and women are not Eucharistic Ministers. They can be commissioned as Extraordinary Ministers of Holy Communion. This was often done in the early Church for those communities that did not have a deacon to bring them communion. The Eucharist was often kept at a designated house where the faithful would gather and a lay person would distribute Holy Communion to the faithful. But this was not the ordinary way of doing things. This was an exception to the rule. Thus, they are extraordinary ministers of Holy Communion.

Must one have consecrated hands to distribute communion?

No. Absolutely not. The deacon’s hands are not consecrated. However, he is an ordinary minister of the Eucharist, not an extraordinary minister of Holy Communion, since a deacon is as much a cleric as a presbyter and a bishop. The annointing of the hands is for the purpose of consecrating, not for the purpose of celebrating the other sacraments or distributing the Eucharist. Therefore, those who say that they will not receive communion from an EMHC because his or her hands are not annointed are incorrect in their statement. The deacon’s hands are not annointed either. But in the New Testament, the deacons were the delegates, not of the presbyter, but of the Apostles or bishops. Today the theology of the diaconate remains the same. A deacon is the official delegate of the local bishop. When he distributes communion he does so in the name of the bishop, just as Steven and he early deacons did so in the name of the Apostles.

In these discussions we tend to forget the deacons, whose role in the liturgical life of the Church has always been an ordinary role, not extraordinary. They have been around since the first generation Christians.

The answer to the question “Only priests can give communion?” is, No. The difference between an EMHC and a deacon is that the deacon does not need permissioin to distribute Holy Communion. He does not need to be commissioned. Like the priest and the bishop, the deacon can distribute Holy Communioin at any time, to any Catholic who asks for it, without consulting. It is his right to do so, as an ordained cleric. The EMHC cannot give out Holy Communion without the permission of the local pastor or if in a religious house, without the permission of the priest presiding at the mass.

There is one more rule that has not been mentioned here. Since some priests are members of religious orders, they are obviously both priest and religious. As religious men, they cannot celebrate mass without the permission of their religious superior. In these cases the religious state prevails over the priesthood. The individual must first act as a religious, which means that he must have the permission of the superior of the house to celebrate mass. Obviously, when he celebrates mass, he also distributes communion. But the religious superior has the authority to deny any priest in his house to celebrate mass. In most communities of monks and friars only one ordained member celebrates mass for the community while all the members of the community attend the mass, this includes the non-clerical and the ordained priests in the house. In other words, the community mass is celebrated by the appointed priest and if there are other priests in the house, they must attend mass like any other brother. They cannot assume permimssion to celebrate mass.

That being said, in most religious communities where they have priests, the permission is granted to all the ordained to celebrate mass. But most is not the same as all. Some religious superiors do not give a blanket permission. They reserve the right to assign the daily mass to different priests and the others may not celebrate mass, if it’s not their turn to do so.

Most of the laws that we read on deacons, priests and bishops are written for diocesan clergy. The laws that govern religious clergy are not usually available to the general public, because they vary for the different forms of religious life: monastic, mendicant, and clerks regular and they do not apply to the celebration of the mass in public places such as parishes.

The priest who is also a religioius is not covered in the scriptures, because there were no such men before the final canon of scripture was written. This came later with the Desert Fathers and Mothers who wrote rules for their hermits, some of whom were deacons, priests and bishops. They wrote into their respective rules the conditions under which a priest could celebrate mass. But these rules remain in effect to this day. However, they are neither part of scripture or canon law. They are part of what is called common law of the institute.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF :christmastree1:
 
Where in the Bible does it say that only priests can give communion? My Protestant friend asked me why it couldn’t be anybody.
And what does your Protestant friend know about things?

By “give communion”, I assume you mean that only a Priest or Bishop can CELEBRATE the Eucharistic Sacrfice and CONSECRATE or CONFECT the Eucharist.

In case you’ve not heard, the Catholic Church has NEVER played by the rule of Sola Scriptura.
 
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And what does your Protestant friend know about things?

By “give communion”, I assume you mean that only a Priest or Bishop can CELEBRATE the Eucharistic Sacrfice and CONSECRATE or CONFECT the Eucharist.

In case you’ve not heard, the Catholic Church has NEVER played by the rule of Sola Scriptura.
||Right, presbyteros means “elder” not “priest” (which would have been sacerdos in Latin or hieros in Greek).||

**Actually, the English word “priest” is a congnate of the Greek word PRESBYTEROS through the Latin PREBYTERUS and the Middle English form PRESTER.

You can compare this with the French word PRETRE. (There is a cirumflex somwhere in this.)**
 
Can anyone distribute the consecrated Bread and Wine?

No. Only those approved by the priest/bishop as Eucharistic ministers can give Holy Communion, with one exception: couples during their wedding Mass can give Holy Communion to each other.
No, couples may not give Communion to each other at their wedding. Redemptionis Sacramentum specifically forbids that.

[94.] It is not licit for the faithful “to take . . . by themselves . . . and, still less, to hand . . . from one to another” the sacred host or the sacred chalice.[181] Moreover, in this regard, the abuse is to be set aside whereby spouses administer Holy Communion to each other at a Nuptial Mass.

The language is odd so I checked it in other languages and it specifically calls fro stopping this abuse of spouses giving Communion to each other.
 
***May I suggest dear friends that you read Exodus Chapter26, wherein God specifies to Moses His exact expetations for the Ark of the Covenant.

If God holds these standards for His [dare i say…“mere” Spiritual Prence" how much Greater are his desires for Himself? (name removed by moderator)erson!

If one has even a slight understanding of Who, and What God are. We would not need to be told of our unworhiness to hold HIM [The God of our Creation and Redeemption] in our hand…

Christ Himself assigns Priest, Bishops, and Deacons to this task. They alone have been in a special way; been purified for this task. They alone are to be the only ones, as long held in Sacred Tradition, to perform this task.

The rest of us need to in Glorious Joy and happiness, receive Chrsit on out tongues, out of respect and reverence for Chris.

GLORY AND PRAISE TO OUR GOD! / 👍

THINK ABOUT IT * 🤷 /]**
 
No, couples may not give Communion to each other at their wedding. Redemptionis Sacramentum specifically forbids that.

[94.] It is not licit for the faithful “to take . . . by themselves . . . and, still less, to hand . . . from one to another” the sacred host or the sacred chalice.[181] Moreover, in this regard, the abuse is to be set aside whereby spouses administer Holy Communion to each other at a Nuptial Mass.

The language is odd so I checked it in other languages and it specifically calls fro stopping this abuse of spouses giving Communion to each other.
I stand corrected.
 
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