Only the spirit is truly you and immoral?

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So in a discussion with my Baptist brother and dad regarding how Jesus is the Church (the body of Christ) somewhere down the road it got into whether the spirit is the true you and your body isn’t immortal or if we are a body would composite and our bodies will live on as glorified bodies (resurrection of the dead).

My brother stated “The body of Christ does not equate to an actual human body. Just as your spirit isn’t the same as your body as your body is left behind after you die and your spirit lives on, even though they are both you, they are not equal. Just as Christ is not equal to the church.The only part of you that is truly you, is your spirit. Our bodies are just on loan to us from God that we eventually return to his earth when we die. He keeps the bodies. Our souls on the other hand can be taken by satan if we allow them to be.”

Just curious to everyone here’s thoughts to this. To me and my friend it sounds very gnostic. What do you think
 
I also find with his idea on this, it would be perfectly acceptable for someone like Bruce Jennar to say he has a male body but a female soul.
 
Neither your body or your spirit is essentially immoral because both were created by God. Your soul and body together form who your are. When you do something immoral it is both your body and soul who does it. And body and soul can be harmed by it. We are not reducing the human to either the soul or the body, like either idealism or materialism. Rather, the human person is both soul and body together. And together make one nature.
 
“Man occupies a unique place in creation: (I) he is “in the image of God”; (II) in his own nature he unites the spiritual and material ;” (CCC 255)
 
"364 The human body shares in the dignity of “the image of God”: it is a human body precisely because it is animated by a spiritual soul, and it is the whole human person that is intended to become, in the body of Christ, a temple of the Spirit:232
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Man, though made of body and soul, is a unity. Through his very bodily condition he sums up in himself the elements of the material world. Through him they are thus brought to their highest perfection and can raise their voice in praise freely given to the Creator. For this reason man may not despise his bodily life. Rather he is obliged to regard his body as good and to hold it in honor since God has created it and will raise it up on the last day. 233
365 The unity of soul and body is so profound that one has to consider the soul to be the “form” of the body:234 i.e., it is because of its spiritual soul that the body made of matter becomes a living, human body; spirit and matter, in man, are not two natures united, but rather their union forms a single nature."
 
The spirit or soul alone isn’t you.

“You” are the assembly of soul and body.

As such, “you” are not immortal, and won’t be, until your soul is restored to the spiritual body.

Not to fear, though, there is no time per se without the body, time is physical; you “won’t feel it.”

ICXC NIKA
 
Thanks for your (name removed by moderator)ut guys. What scripture passages would support our view of this?
 
Shaolen said:
Thanks for your (name removed by moderator)ut guys. What scripture passages would support our view of this?
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Take a look at the catechism link. It should have links to citations and scripture passages.

Ask your dad if the body is unimportant to who we are then why does God want to resurrect it?

The body is the last thing to be redeemed from sin, to restore what was lost due to sin.

“for God created man for incorruption,
and made him in the image of his own eternity,
but through the devil’s envy death entered the world,
and those who belong to his party experience it.”
  • Wisdom 2:22
Read 1 Cor 15:51-56
 
Dr. Edward Feser sheds some light on this issue in his book “Aquinas”
A third advantage of hylemorphic dualism is the light it arguably sheds on the philosophical problem of personal identity. Cartesian dualism entails that the real you is your soul, with your body being merely a non-essential vehicle that you walk around in, as it were. As complete substances, the soul can exist entirely apart from the body and (more to the present point) the body can exist entirely apart from the soul. This raises the puzzle of how you could know, even in principle, that in dealing with another person you are dealing with the same person over time. For all you ever observe is the person’s body; you never observe, and never could observe, the person’s soul, which is the thing that really is the person. So how do you know that the same soul, and thus the same person, is present in the body you’re talking to now as was present in it last week or last year? Even if the personality traits and the like seem the same, that might just be because another soul is occupying the same body and pretending to be the original one. You could never know for sure – again, not even in principle, it seems. This “re-identification problem” is as stark a problem for Cartesian dualism as the interaction problem. But if we return to the hylemorphic conception of the soul as the form of the body, the problem disappears. For since matter is not, on that view, a complete substance in its own right, there simply cannot be matter without form, and thus cannot be a body without a soul. In particular, since your soul is the form of your body specifically, it follows that if your body is present, your soul is too, and thus you are present. The re-identification problem cannot arise.
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You don’t HAVE a body, you ARE a body. I believe Heaven will be much like Earth only we will know God directly with complete certainty and perfect faith.
 
J_Peterson said:
You don’t HAVE a body, you ARE a body. I believe Heaven will be much like Earth only we will know God directly with complete certainty and perfect faith.
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+1!

And our bodies will be far better.

ICXC NIKA!
 
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