Oppressing women?

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Whence comes the claim that the Church oppressed women? From what I can tell, the earliest converts where mostly women, and women’s conditioned improved compared to their pagan counterparts. How is it then that the Church finds itself being accused of oppress women?
 
I think the “oppressive to women” business comes from feminists because we don’t have women priests.

They also don’t like that “wives, be submissive to your husbands” bit.
 
Seems to me throughout the history of the Catholic Church, it was the women who were most attracted to Jesus and to the Church and it was the men who caused the greatest difficulties and were the most stubborn.

My opinion only, that the reason why Jesus chose men to be the 12 apostles was to provide some form of sympathetic/ empathetic connection to the male “audience”.

It’s not an issue of providing positions of power. This past Sunday, Jesus spoke about the need for those who sought power and privilege to go somewhere else. That positions of power, influence and privilege were not about being the boss or showing off by sitting next to Jesus in the best seats in the house, but about providing the most service to one another, about bring word of Jesus’ teaching to people and about bringing the souls of people to Jesus.

Marxists of every stripe go on and on about oppressing this group or that group.

Jesus focus was on providing eternal life.

Not about providing power on earth over others regardless of their group or “category”.

And to emphasize His point, He, Who had all of the Power, insisted on demeaning Himself … self-oppressing Himself … by washing the feet of His followers (and He did that in a private gathering, in my opinion, to avoid people getting puffed up by having their feet publicly washed by God). And then Jesus dying on the cross. And then His instructions were for us, not to take up HIS cross, but to take up our own crosses and follow Him.

Nothing about putting anyone else down.

Jesus “self-oppressed” Himself.

And in doing so, He set the example for us.

The example, when we reflect on it, should be universally crushing. Because the Infinite God did this. Took on human form [The Incarnation … on Christmas], allowed Himself to be tortured to death by humans [His creations killed the Creator], instituted the Eucharist “This is MY Body”], and then to prove the point, rose from the dead.

That the Infinite God would do all that for us is overwhelming.

Nothing about oppressing women in any of Jesus’ teaching or in the Church.
 
I think the “oppressive to women” business comes from feminists because we don’t have women priests.

They also don’t like that “wives, be submissive to your husbands” bit.
That and the fact that, since the 60’s, having babies is seen as having shackles. Since the Church encourages babies and discourages contraceptions and abortions, she must be oppressing women, right? 😛
 
My opinion only, that the reason why Jesus chose men to be the 12 apostles was to provide some form of sympathetic/ empathetic connection to the male “audience”.
I guess that might be a valid point. But don’t forget that all in the OT is a foreshadowing of the NT: in the OT God chose of the tribe of Levites only the males to be priests. One could understand this as a foreshadowing of the chosing of men to be Apostles, in my opinion.
 
The Church is alive and well, and fully documented. Therefore the far left associates the Church with all the things nearly universal in humanity. Oppression, repression, inequality or what-have-you, however they define it from one moment to the next. They revere the lost ways of the pagans because they know less about them, and can therefore project on them any daydream they want. I’ve heard some go on and on about the early Europeans pagans being matriarchal egalitarians (a contradiction in terms anyway), freedom-loving, liberated happy-go-lucky big kids dancing in wildflower meadows all day. When I try to tell them it’s not an accurate picture of ancient Europe (to say the least), they go bug eyed and start screaming, “Listen! Please! Listen to me!” as if another round of hearing the same false history might be the one that somehow convinces me of fully-disproven nonsense.🤷 I walk away.
 
The alleged “oppression of women” is another of many canards hurled at the Church by modern liberals and feminist groups - largely because the Church opposes Abortion and other items on their agenda like contraception, divorce and women priests.

This is then generalised into the claim that: “The Church has always oppressed Women.” And like other anti-Catholic claims - it then requires little proof. It just becomes a liberal-media “fact” because it is so often repeated. Novels such as the Da Vinci Code or the Mists of Avalon perpetuate the myth by exagerrating women’s freedoms prior to Christianity and inventing and exagerrating oppression of women afterwards.

What was the truth? Catholic Christianity raised the status of women above that within previous societies, In Christianity women were considered to be essentially equal with men before God. This made a difference with the mores of most pagan, buddhist, Hindu or Islamic societies where men were by far the more likely to get to paradise. In Christianity we see women having the right to choose or reject marriage, to petition as individuals, to enter the religious life and become teachers, learned scholars or powerful Abesses such as Hildegard and Hilda. The Virgin Mary and female Saints raised the status of women hugely acting as counterbalances to the Old testament image of sinful Eve. In the medieval world we see women being educated and becoming rulers in their own right - something very rare elsewhere.

Women of the middle ages* “wielded powers of government such as they never had in Roman or Germanic society, nor in modern western Europe before the 20th century*.” (p12 Shahar The 4th Estate. Women in the Middle Ages.)

Christianity seems to have been especially successful among women. It was often through the wives that it penetrated the upper classes of society in the first instance. Christians believed in the equality of men and women before God and found in the New Testament commands that husbands should treat their wives with such consideration and love as Christ manifested for his Church. Christian teaching about the sanctity of marriage offered a powerful safeguard to married women (Henry Chadwick, The Early Church, Penguin, 58–59).

Basically the idea that women could be the equal of men was one of the things that rose out of Catholic Christian society - not any other. Even the Protestant Reformation reduced the status of women, by taking them out of convents, schools and monasteries, and returning them to the duties of the housewife.
 
That and the fact that, since the 60’s, having babies is seen as having shackles. Since the Church encourages babies and discourages contraceptions and abortions, she must be oppressing women, right? 😛
The National Organization for Women and the Women’s Liberation Movement were not solution oriented. They were not about understanding or reconciliation but separation. That’s why Gloria Steinem started Ms. Magazine (the origin of that word). The Left promotes victimhood and how can you ever come to terms with your oppressor? How about getting to understand each other better? Nope. The only way to deal with your oppressor is to gain ‘power’ over him. “Sisters! Throw off the chains of your oppression!” Women had to become “equal” to their oppressor. That way men would have no more power over them. So colleges started Women’s Studies and explored Women’s Culture as if men and women came from two separate planets. I’m surprised that dating did not degenerate into both parties signing contracts on the first date in the presence of notaries.

Instead of helping women understand male-female relationships and how to build bonds of trust, so-called modern media gave viewers Sex and the City where the women play the role of the male chauvenist pigs.

And the rotten fruit of this thinking exists to this day.

Peace,
Ed
 
The really ironic thing about anti-Christian feminist thinking is that it actually identifies deeply with the real oppressors of women.
The first feminist revolt occurred between 1790 and 1869, as a reaction against the repaganization of laws in Western Europe and the new United States. The chattel concept of the family and servants returned because the lawmakers were mining the ancient European folklore for tribal systems consistent with the Romantic idea of every landowner as little chief of a little kingdom, lord of all on his property. In the Medieval through Early Modern periods every individual had always had some rights, but when ownership became all, the rights of servants, women and boys under 21 as well as vagrants crumbled away slowly. Industrialization and the consolidation of land in a few hands finished the job of destroying most people’s, including overwhelmingly most women’s, human rights. It made it impossible even to strike out into the wild to live alone (unless one could make it across the Ohio Valley or into the hills somewhere to hide).
The second was a reaction against the sexual libertinism and drunkenness that led to much abuse of women and children during the post-Civil-War period. It lasted from about 1870 to the First World War. Feminism then was a movement toward chastity, gentleness and caring for the weak at all ages. Women in that movement said, “We will show men an example of decent conduct, given room to do so, and they should follow it.” It was a profoundly Christian movement. Getting the vote was supposed to civilize the rough and rude legislative process of the times.
WWI required men and women to devote themselves to the war effort, and left little time for other issues. Women naturally took up whatever work needed doing, and so did men.
After the war, people celebrated the freedom of peacetime and worked at making a living again. The terrible economic problems of the prewar and war years were over in most areas. The mood was relief and excitement.
American women got the right to vote in nationwide elections (states had granted statewide voting rights to women here and there in the USA since 1869), in 1920, too late to vote in that election cycle. Women celebrated urbanization and the independence it brought, the nationwide vote, and new economic prosperity. These things were seen as going together. The feminism of the 1920s was not a revolt against anything, but a pushing of rules by mostly well-off city “bachelor-girls” to find out just how independent and prosperous they could be. It didn’t mean much to the majority, who still struggled to get by. The style and slogans were youthful: referring to girls and boys, not women and men; formalwear based on earlier children’s evening clothes and playclothes.
The 1930s and WWII brought a situation much like that of the First World War: Women worked at men’s work and vice-versa out of necessity, not to make a political point. Everyone developed as many skills as time perrmitted, in case of need. The mood was responsible, practical, adult. No one worried about men vs. women.
The revolt after the Second World War didn’t begin until a half-generation had passed. Men had begun to act entitled to arrogant, unmannerly conduct, a burlesque show now and then, and a wife who acted as if she didn’t notice. The sexual revolution started in 1953. More and more men joined it until few intelligent women could stand it. A woman whose mother spoke four languages, and could change a tire, who had a year of college herself, was unlikely to feel fulfilled keeping a house that no longer needed keeping anyway, for a man who was never home and who was known to pinch ladies at the office. Some middle-class women rebelled.
It was, every step of the way, a reaction against the sexual revolution that was turning men increasingly rude, self-centered, unreliable and unadmirable. That was one side of it. The other aspect was a search for a use for the skills and talents they had spent the '30s and '40s building up.
Yet today, NOW and similar organizations treat the sexual revolution, the self-absorbed, self-referential thinking of the Romantic elites, and the anti-responsibility ethic of the 1960s as if these were the ultimate goods, to be protected no matter what. From a movement against abuse, the leaders of “feminism” have turned to choose sides with abusers. They will lose support among women as long as they amke that mistake. And they will continue to make that mistake right up until they recognize that chastity, decency and love are part of freedom; Christian ideals are beneficial to women; and the sexual revolutionaries are destroying woemn’s lives more than anyone else is.
 
In Christianity women were considered to be essentially equal with men before God.
Then why such a brouhaha about woman priests? Ever had a woman bishop? Dream of a woman pope?
This made a difference with the mores of most pagan, buddhist, Hindu or Islamic societies where men were by far the more likely to get to paradise.
Buddhists do not aspire for a Paradise. Please brush up your knowledge before commenting.

Hindu women are not barred from paradise. Please brush up your knowledge before commenting.

But then paradise is NOT the last stop for Hindus.
to enter the religious life and become teachers, learned scholars or powerful Abesses such as Hildegard and Hilda.
Abbess? Thats all? When are you having woman priests, bishops, cardinals, popes, law givers?
The Virgin Mary and female Saints raised the status of women hugely acting as counterbalances to the Old testament image of sinful Eve.
Why not excise OT and get done with its legacy?

Here I will not talk of sexual exploitation, rapes, killings etc of nuns by the priests.
 
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