Optional Memorial; evening prayer

[Justin_Mary]

I’m trying to prepare Evening Prayer for the 17th of August. An optional memorial for Blessed Angelus Augustine Mazzinghi, priest

However, I’ve decided to use the common for religious men, since Universalis used the common for religious men for Morning Prayer.

Basically I’m going through the GILH trying to learn how the day’s prayers are put together using Universalis to check myself.

But here, I have two problems.

1. Did Universalis err in using the Common for Religious Men for morning prayer instead of the Common for Pastors (Blessed Angelus Augustine Mazzinghi is a priest).
2. Universalis doesn’t use the antiphons from the Common of Religious Men in the Evening Prayer, why not? They’re using the antiphons from the day’s psalter. But they use the closing prayer from the Proper (I have an addendum he’s included in)

Any help would be appreciated.

Pray, hope, don’t worry

 

[Cor_ad_Cor]

Did Universalis err in using the Common for Religious Men for morning prayer instead of the Common for Pastors (Blessed Angelus Augustine Mazzinghi is a priest).

I don’t have my book handy to check at the moment, but it’s often the case that these are options - you choose which Common you’ll use.

Universalis doesn’t use the antiphons from the Common of Religious Men in the Evening Prayer, why not? They’re using the antiphons from the day’s psalter. But they use the closing prayer from the Proper (I have an addendum he’s included in)

Optional Memorials use the day’s antiphons and psalter; in fact, you can choose whether the reading, response, Gospel Canticle antiphon, and intercessions are from the day or the common. The only thing that is sort of the determining factor in whether you’re celebrating Monday or Blessed Angelus Augustine Mazzinghi is the closing prayer/collect you select.

 

[Justin_Mary]

Optional Memorials use the day’s antiphons and psalter; in fact, you can choose whether the reading, response, Gospel Canticle antiphon, and intercessions are from the day or the common

I didn’t mention I’ve selected the Carmelite calendar in Universalis.

My confusion is for Morning Prayer they use the antiphon from the Common of Religious men. In my Carmel Proper it says to use the antiphons from the Common of Religious men.

For evening prayer Universalis uses the antiphon from the day.

I understand what you’re saying. That’s what I read in the GILH. However, that means Universalis was wrong in their Morning Prayer.

Or, maybe Memorials only affect Morning Prayer

 

[Cor_ad_Cor]

I just played around a bit with my Universalis settings, and I see what you’re seeing for Vespers, but I can’t see that they actually used the antiphons from the Commons for Lauds. It appears that’s the antiphons of the day as well. Unfortunately, I’m a little puzzled, too, but I confess I don’t have much experience with Universalis settings for religious orders, so perhaps it’s a software mistake, as you suggested - but the mistake isn’t showing on my version.

Could it be that your app is due for an update? They’ve corrected a few bugs recently. (I’m on the iOS app v 3.49, which I received yesterday.)

The only thing about Morning Prayer for Feasts and Solemnities (not Memorials) is that you’re instructed to use the Sunday I psalms. Otherwise, there’s nothing instructionally different about Morning and Evening.

 

[gotDoug]

Optional Memorials use the day’s antiphons and psalter; in fact, you can choose whether the reading, response, Gospel Canticle antiphon, and intercessions are from the day or the common. The only thing that is sort of the determining factor in whether you’re celebrating Monday or Blessed Angelus Augustine Mazzinghi is the closing prayer/collect you select.

Yes, I think if you choose to celebrate an Optional Memorial, you take whatever is in the Proper, usually just the concluding prayer/collect and the 2nd reading for the OOR. However, if there is anything else in the Proper then you must say it.

This is outlined in No. 235 of the General Instructions:

1. In the office of readings, at morning prayer, and at evening prayer:

a. the psalms and their antiphons are taken from the current week and day, unless there are proper antiphons or proper psalms, which is indicated as the case occurs;

b. the antiphon at the invitatory, the hymn, the short reading, the antiphons at the Canticles of Zechariah and of Mary, and the intercessions must be those of the saint if these are given in the proper; otherwise, they are taken either from the common or from the current week and day;

c. the concluding prayer from the office of the saint is to be said;

d. in the office of readings, the Scripture reading with its responsory is from the current cycle. The second reading is about the saint, with a proper responsory or one taken from the common; if there is no proper reading, the patristic reading for the day is used. The Te Deum is not said.

 

[Cor_ad_Cor]

Thank you; I was using Christian Prayer as a reference and forget that the General Instruction is the abridged version.

 

[Justin_Mary]

So in the proper it says

From the Common of Men Saints (Religious), except the following:

So should I treat the Common as the proper?

(The exceptions are the readings for the OOR, & a proper prayer).

 

[mfac11]

No. Do not treat the common as the proper When the GILH says use the propers, it means exactly that. As @gotDoug posted above, the psalms and their antiphons come only from the proper or the psalter (current week and day). The other parts, if they are not in the proper, would come from the referenced common or the psalter, at your choice. An example of a proper with more than just the OOR readings and concluding prayer would be Our Lady of the Rosary, October 7.

The only reason (that I can think of) to use the commons for the psalms and their antiphons is if the “Memorial” you are celebrating is elevated to “Feast” or “Solemnity” in the calendar you are following. For example, St Francis De Sales and St John Bosco are both memorials in the General Roman Calendar, but are elevated to Feast and Solemnity, respectively, in the Salesian calendar.

 

[Justin_Mary]

Ok, so I found this in GILH 119

On memorials without proper antiphons the antiphon may be taken at will either from the common or from the current week.

So I guess that’s why Univesalis uses the antiphons from the Commons.

 

[mfac11]

It seems to me that GILH 119 is referring to the antiphons of the Gospel Canticles. The antiphons of the three psalms that start the office (as well as the psalms themselves) would be covered generally in GILH 117-118 and specific info given in GILH 234-240.

What you found may explain what Universalis did, but I’m not sure it makes it correct.

 

[Justin_Mary]

It seems to me that GILH 119 is referring to the antiphons of the Gospel Canticles.

You’re right.