Oral Sex if we are practicing natural family planning?

[Feanaro_s_Wife]

Mom of 5:

How about those who are incapable of conceiving? Positively, no questions about it, not possible to conceive. Oral sex o.k.?

Mom of 5

No. Marital relations must be both unitive and procreative. Procreative in this case refers to openess to life (no matter how impossible the possibility seems to us) rather than the physical ability to conceive.

Malia

 

[Golf_Nut]

What is the Scripture authority prohibiting oral sex that leads to climax?

 

[LovedOne]

Golf_Nut:

What is the Scripture authority prohibiting oral sex that leads to climax?

Well, Scripture is not the only “authority” for christians.
Christ gave us His church and thus the authority to interpret the scriptures. “He who hears you (priests/church) hears ME” - Jesus

If you’d like an example from scripture where deliberately climaxing outside of intercourse is condemned - then read of Onan “spilling his seed” in the Old Testament.

Also, if you want the FULL theology of God’s purpose and design on sexual intercourse I highly recommend you read Christopher West’s book, “Good News About Sex & Marriage.”
Or “Theology of the Body” by Pope John Paul II.

Blessings~

 

[Golf_Nut]

LovedOne:

Well, Scripture is not the only “authority” for christians.
Christ gave us His church and thus the authority to interpret the scriptures. “He who hears you (priests/church) hears ME” - Jesus

If you’d like an example from scripture where deliberately climaxing outside of intercourse is condemned - then read of Onan “spilling his seed” in the Old Testament.

Also, if you want the FULL theology of God’s purpose and design on sexual intercourse I highly recommend you read Christopher West’s book, “Good News About Sex & Marriage.”
Or “Theology of the Body” by Pope John Paul II.

Blessings~

Onan is from the Old Testament. Just as we do not celebrate the Jewish holidays of the Old Testament (because we have a new covenant with Christ) we do not necessarily follow other aspects of the OT.

 

[JosefTan]

Pentecost2005:

It would seem that lustfulness depends on your intent. Eagerness is not the same as lustfulness. It depends on whether you see your partner as an object, a means to your own pleasure.

I learned from Pope JP II’s “Theology of the Body” the following:
God seriously considers us His Children! Therefore, he does not want ANYONE of us to be USED other than to be treated as Very Important Persons! [Which we are in His sight]
Thus, EVEN thinking of another as AN OBJECT for our pleasure displeases Him, and puts OUR imaginating tools on the way to a Crash! [Sin always hurts US, NOT God, Our Father!] Does that make sense?

 

[Myangel]

Loboto-Me:

Even if practicing NFP we are still supposed to be open to the CHANCE that God will think otherwise for our lives… in other words, He may want you to have a child at the moment, even if you are not ready.

ANY climax by the man HAS to be inside the body of the woman, there are no exceptions.

ANY climax by the woman HAS to be in the context of the FULL marital embrace… meaning you can’t just bring your wife to climax and leave it at that, you must finish it off with FULL, complete intercourse. It must be a part of the marital embrace, not used as a release in and of itself.

Oh dear I just re-read my post and I think it sounds like the wife must climax as part of the intercourse! What I mean is yes she can be brought to climax in any way, but intercourse must either be fulfilled before or after (or if lucky… during) intercourse. Whew!

lol I could not have explained it any better. Well done

 

[Ortho-Dox]

I have follwed these forums for a long time, but reading this recent thread has finally prompted me to write in.

My wife and I have been practicing NFP for a few years now and really appreciate the benefits it has brought to our marriage.

One point that I have not seen brought up is the mention of multiple martial actions within the same night. My wife and I often engage in this practice, and she keeps suggesting that oral sex to climax might be OK, and included as part of the martial embrace, if vaginal sex is also performed immediately before or after the act.

We have not engaged in this action, but I must admit that I am at odds as to how to respond.

Any help?

(yes, this is her idea)

 

[Feanaro_s_Wife]

Sorry Ortho-Dox,

each and every act of marital union must be both procreative AND unitive. We cannot seperate the two for ANY reason, no matter how reasonable it sounds to us.

I highly suggest you buy or borrow the book by Christopher West called “The Good News About Sex and Marriage”.

You and your wife could read it together (like me and hubby did). It did a great job of explaining in simple terms the Church teachings on sex.

If you have any questions after you read the book feel free to start a new thread for your specific concerns.

Malia

 

[patg]

Golf_Nut:

Onan is from the Old Testament. Just as we do not celebrate the Jewish holidays of the Old Testament (because we have a new covenant with Christ) we do not necessarily follow other aspects of the OT.

AND, the belief at that time was that the man carried the entire seed of the child - the woman was “only” an incubator for the child provided by the male. Thus Onan’s activity looks pretty bad since it was believed he was destroying a child but with today’s knowledge it is does not.

 

[martino]

CuriousInIL:

You have hit on, IMO, the important point but then misunderstood it. The CCC does say “and” which means, again IMO (paraphrasing the CCC to make the point),

Sexual pleasure is morally disordered when sought for itself, isolated from both its procreative and unitive purposes.

rather than

Sexual pleasure is morally disordered when sought for itself, isolated from either its procreative or unitive purposes.

this is not right, it does not mean that disorder occurs only when both elements are absent. even contracepting couples engage in the unitive aspect of the act, but we all know contraception is disordered.
the reason contraception is disordered is because it serparates the unitive and procreative. the Church teaches that both aspects must be present each and everytime the couple has sex. it is the separation of the two that makes it immoral.