Ordinary form with a traditionalism

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Is the priest allow to have traditional practices during the ordinary form mass without the consent of the bishop? (Facing the Alter, Kneelers) Or must the priest seek the request from the bishop?
 
Any priest can say Mass facing the altar (ad orientem) if he chooses. He does not need the bishop’s permission.

“GIRM 299 actually assumes that you are using the altar for ad orientem worship because it provides that you can when it is opportune use it also for versus populum Masses” From here: wdtprs.com/blog/2008/10/quaeritur-can-ad-orientem-worship-be-forbidden/

My guess is that it would be perfectly fine for a priest to provide kneelers, as long as he does not refuse Communion to those who wish to receive standing.
 
The rubrics of the OF Missal assume ad orientem celebration. The GIRM also gives many options for solemnizing the Mass; when all of these options are taken, the OF actually rather closely resembles the EF in externals.
 
The priest is also allowed to substitute the Latin text in whatever parts of the ordinary he wishes without the bishops consent. In fact, the Vatican highly recommends this.
 
ChristianSurfer said:
Is the priest allow to have traditional practices during the ordinary form mass without the consent of the bishop? (Facing the Alter, Kneelers) Or must the priest seek the request from the bishop?
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When you say “kneelers”, I’m not sure if you’re referring to communion rails, or the kneelers in pews to make it easier for people to kneel at the appropriate times during the liturgy and whenever they go to the church to pray privately. It doesn’t really matter though- because both are allowed. There has never been anything official calling for the removal of communion rails, and there are parts of the Mass where we are to kneel, according to the rubrics of the Mass.

When a priest celebrates Mass ad orientem, he and the congregation are facing God together. Many do not understand that, and think the priest is just turning *away *from them. The parishioners need to understand why priests celebrate Mass ad orientem before it’s implemented, but I see no reason why it can’t be done.
 
The Graduale Romanum is still official songbook of the Church with the Latin ordinary and propers, in many countries the only properly approved one by the Apostolic See

The people facing altar, the offertory process, the rite of peace, the receiving through the species of wine are optional, so the priest can skip them, and keep with the tradition.

The hand holding for Our Father, the communion to hand are indults, the priest can suggest not to use them, but cannot deny anyone the communion to hand. People understand quite quickly the beauty of the traditional form.

Above that using always the Confiteor and the Roman Canon and avoid adlibitings will make the mass properly reverent., and centered toward God.
 
ProVobis said:
The priest is also allowed to substitute the Latin text in whatever parts of the ordinary he wishes without the bishops consent. In fact, the Vatican highly recommends this.
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Really? I can’t tell if “the Vatican highly recommends this” is sarcastic due to the fact this is not a face-to-face conversation and the lack of this happening

(Btw. this post is a serious question)
 
Student09 said:
Any priest can say Mass facing the altar (ad orientem) if he chooses. He does not need the bishop’s permission.

“GIRM 299 actually assumes that you are using the altar for ad orientem worship because it provides that you can when it is opportune use it also for versus populum Masses” From here: wdtprs.com/blog/2008/10/quaeritur-can-ad-orientem-worship-be-forbidden/

My guess is that it would be perfectly fine for a priest to provide kneelers, as long as he does not refuse Communion to those who wish to receive standing.
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Then how come ad orientem is extremely rare? I prefer it and I am a post Vatican II young guy. You would think just one priest would follow ad orientem it makes more sense theologically. Does it make the laity feel too disconnected from the mass?
 
m134e5 said:
When you say “kneelers”, I’m not sure if you’re referring to communion rails, or the kneelers in pews to make it easier for people to kneel at the appropriate times during the liturgy and whenever they go to the church to pray privately. It doesn’t really matter though- because both are allowed. There has never been anything official calling for the removal of communion rails, and there are parts of the Mass where we are to kneel, according to the rubrics of the Mass.

When a priest celebrates Mass ad orientem, he and the congregation are facing God together. Many do not understand that, and think the priest is just turning *away *from them. The parishioners need to understand why priests celebrate Mass ad orientem before it’s implemented, but I see no reason why it can’t be done.
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I was Referring to Communion rails but you answered my question anyways

Thank you!
 
ChristianSurfer said:
Really? I can’t tell if “the Vatican highly recommends this” is sarcastic due to the fact this is not a face-to-face conversation and the lack of this happening

(Btw. this post is a serious question)
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From Sacrosanctum Concilium (emphasis is mine):
  1. In Masses which are celebrated with the people, a suitable place may be allotted to their mother tongue. This is to apply in the first place to the readings and “the common prayer,” but also, as local conditions may warrant, to those parts which pertain to the people, according to tho norm laid down in Art. 36 of this Constitution.
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Nevertheless steps should be taken so that the faithful may also be able to say or to sing together in Latin those parts of the Ordinary of the Mass which pertain to them.
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Also, in the same document in an earlier section:
    1. Particular law remaining in force, the use of the Latin language is to be preserved in the Latin rites.
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  1. But since the use of the mother tongue, whether in the Mass, the administration of the sacraments, or other parts of the liturgy, frequently may be of great advantage to the people, the limits of its employment may be extended. This will apply in the first place to the readings and directives, and to some of the prayers and chants, according to the regulations on this matter to be laid down separately in subsequent chapters.
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  1. These norms being observed, it is for the competent territorial ecclesiastical authority mentioned in Art. 22, 2, to decide whether, and to what extent, the vernacular language is to be used; their decrees are to be approved, that is, confirmed, by the Apostolic See. And, whenever it seems to be called for, this authority is to consult with bishops of neighboring regions which have the same language.
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  1. Translations from the Latin text into the mother tongue intended for use in the liturgy must be approved by the competent territorial ecclesiastical authority mentioned above.
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If only we applied the letter of Vatican II rather than its “spirit”… as interpreted by those with an agenda…
 
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