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I have bit of a problem with the following quote. Its taken from a free ebook by Donald P. Goodman III here… gorpub.freeshell.org/origsin.pdf
The full website is here if you are interested in analysing the free books there… gorpub.freeshell.org/books.html
“Heaven is a free gift of God, not the fulfilment of a debt. If the invincibly ignorant man is not saved, God is still fulfilling all which He ought, and giving him exactly
what is right. As St. Thomas says, “because of the sin of the first parent
the human race deserved to be deprived of the help of grace.”
I believe that Gods moral nature is intrinsically rational. While I agree that Gods grace is a gift, I cannot rationally agree with how this grace is purported to be distributed in the above quote. It appears contradictory to me.
The following is how I see it. Gods actions cannot be construed as whimsical arbitrary acts of desire or even artistic flare. Rather it seems to me that the correct rendering of God is a being whose very act is a moral act; is the moral ought, and for God to act otherwise would be contrary to the very nature of God and thus impossible. Therefore the creation of man cannot be separated from Gods intention to save man, since salvation is a moral act; as in to say that this is what a good being would always do in any morally possible world because that is the nature of good. God does what God is. This is to say that, while salvation requires those people with knowledge to freely accept salvation, salvation itself cannot be a contingent intention that God can choose not to full-fill merely because a person is ignorant of original sin. God would not create man without the intention to give the human race the grace of God, since the human race in the first place exists for the purpose of heaven; and would not exist otherwise. I can certainly agree that the creation of man is a gift and so is the grace that is necessarily given with it. But I must stress with all due respect that the saving grace of God is also a “moral expression” of Gods nature. God may choose to withhold knowledge of his being until an appropriate time from people; but Humanity is created to receive Gods grace in so far as we were created for heaven. This means that if a man dies in a state of invincible ignorance and original sin, God is not going to put that person in hell on that account, and neither is it logically possible that God could choose not to save that person on the account of his ignorance or original sin, because Gods saving act is both a gift and a fulfilment of what God ought to do in accordance with his nature. The only way we cannot receive salvation is because we freely choose to reject it.
When God created us, by that very act, he in turn was bound to provide for our moral well being, simple because that’s the nature of God which is Love.
What say ye?
The full website is here if you are interested in analysing the free books there… gorpub.freeshell.org/books.html
“Heaven is a free gift of God, not the fulfilment of a debt. If the invincibly ignorant man is not saved, God is still fulfilling all which He ought, and giving him exactly
what is right. As St. Thomas says, “because of the sin of the first parent
the human race deserved to be deprived of the help of grace.”
I believe that Gods moral nature is intrinsically rational. While I agree that Gods grace is a gift, I cannot rationally agree with how this grace is purported to be distributed in the above quote. It appears contradictory to me.
The following is how I see it. Gods actions cannot be construed as whimsical arbitrary acts of desire or even artistic flare. Rather it seems to me that the correct rendering of God is a being whose very act is a moral act; is the moral ought, and for God to act otherwise would be contrary to the very nature of God and thus impossible. Therefore the creation of man cannot be separated from Gods intention to save man, since salvation is a moral act; as in to say that this is what a good being would always do in any morally possible world because that is the nature of good. God does what God is. This is to say that, while salvation requires those people with knowledge to freely accept salvation, salvation itself cannot be a contingent intention that God can choose not to full-fill merely because a person is ignorant of original sin. God would not create man without the intention to give the human race the grace of God, since the human race in the first place exists for the purpose of heaven; and would not exist otherwise. I can certainly agree that the creation of man is a gift and so is the grace that is necessarily given with it. But I must stress with all due respect that the saving grace of God is also a “moral expression” of Gods nature. God may choose to withhold knowledge of his being until an appropriate time from people; but Humanity is created to receive Gods grace in so far as we were created for heaven. This means that if a man dies in a state of invincible ignorance and original sin, God is not going to put that person in hell on that account, and neither is it logically possible that God could choose not to save that person on the account of his ignorance or original sin, because Gods saving act is both a gift and a fulfilment of what God ought to do in accordance with his nature. The only way we cannot receive salvation is because we freely choose to reject it.
When God created us, by that very act, he in turn was bound to provide for our moral well being, simple because that’s the nature of God which is Love.
What say ye?